Superior Medical Care or Medical Mutual of Ohio

December 2, 2008


by Loraine Ritchey thatwb@yahoo.com

What is a patient to do?
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Here we go again…. The “public” will once again be bearing the cost of the posturing , the who is right – who is wrong? Now all have their valid points the doctors and insurance companies- But who is really the one suffering here?

The price of healthcare is rising- the cost of coverage is rising- the cost to the physician for insurance is rising-the cost to the insurance companies is rising and in the end the patient and the public pays. Doctors are paying out more and more for training, equipment, malpractice insurance – everyone has their problems -So here is my latest dilemna

No. 1. Our family Dr. retired – mainly due to the high costs involved of being a one man practice. I loved my Dr. both he and the family Dr. we had before him ( passed away) had treated the “whole family” from pregnancy, childhood through middle and old age. We had faith, trust , friendship and “ownership” which worked both ways- we were NEVER a number.

No 2. A group of four Drs. took over his practice locally – and we all went to a different Dr. in the practice, (due to their days in office) and to see which one we all liked best ( truth be known) . We still could go to the old office and with the same staff.

NO. 3. -No2 lasted about 3 months or so and then the offices closed and we were sent to what I called the “Chicken Coop” - I absolutely hated sitting in the large waiting room surrounded by the coughs, colds and goodness knows what else and the large Plasma TV tuned to CNN. I felt more like a number than a patient. The nurses would poke their heads out of the little window cubicles like so many battery chickens. The four Drs. have turned into a group of over 30 .

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Thankfully my mother’s Dr. left the group and I left with him, however the rest of my family was scattered among the remaining Drs.

The have each received a letter written November 6th-2008 stating that this particular group Superior Medical Care (SMC) will not be accepting Medical Mutual of Ohio(MMO) as of January 20th-2009
Click on all letter images to enlarge

Where does that leave us – the patients – the last sentence in the one letter (emphasis mine ) ” Superior Medical Care “MAY” continue to see you in our offices… “YOU” will be responsible for payment at your time of visit…..

I called the number listed in Superior Medical Care’s letter and basically YOU the patient will be “coughing up”.

I remember seeing little notices on the chicken coop windows that there were other insurances they also weren’t accepting
We do not accept Caresource, Summa Healthcare and Humana….

Then on November 16th a HUGE FULL PAGE ad in the Chronicle Telegram ( only part of which would fit into my scanner) states

At the very bottom of the ad for the FAST TRACK CLINIC it states in big letters “This is NOT a free clinic” so I wonder who pays????

Then the next day – November 17th- yet another letter

with a copy of a letter from Medical Mutual of Ohio -

This time Superior Medical Care states the MMO initiated the need for SMC to terminate the contract with them …so who is accepting whom and who and how? According to SMC all they requested from MMO was to pay at a similar level to what other insurance companies are currently paying…… and so it goes and the patient well he/she is on the table!

HMMMMM looks like we, the patient, have got ourselves in the middle of a price war and guess who is going to end up paying ?
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Now it is difficult enough with all these forms and intricacy involved when you are ill to figure out the caps, the costs, the will they?won’t they? and NOW we are also expect to also figure out ” MMO depending on your plan may reimburse you for what you paid as out of network”.
Speaking to a representative of MMO basically they confirmed what I had already thought:

If the Dr. charges for example $300 for a service and MMO had contracted to pay $150 -the Dr. agreed to accept that under the contract. Now you will be responsible for the $300 and possibly be required to pay that up front depending upon the Dr. This could get very expensive – for example recently we were charged $2,000 for a procedure from a Dr. in this group – he agreed to accept $800 through MMO however, now this could mean “out of pocket” to the patient for the other $1,200 (if the Dr. is not under a contract to accept that $800)-that adds up.

Some medications, we have dealt with recently cost $10,000 per injection in that instance MMO agreed to $2,500. If a patient had to have one of those injections a month (as is what happened to us) for 7 months guess which line you will be standing in?
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Well , sorry Superior Medical Care , whilst I see your problem- 5 of my family who are under MMO are going elsewhere, you see we already have too much hassle and I am tired of being caught between a rock and a hard place and quite frankly “I don’t like chicken coops!”

Now I guess I will have to pay for the records to be transferred ( yet again) and start the whole process over…….

Time for equality and equity and a health care system that is healthy! I for one am tired of being plucked , sliced and diced – and being told ‘How Lucky We Are”chicken-surgery1
Out of Network and out of patients = Out of pocket and out of patience

Entry Filed under: Brit take, Corporate responsibility, health, medical, personal opinion. .

21 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Kelly Boyer Sagert  |  December 3, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Oh, Loraine . . . what a mess. Sorry to hear.

  • 2. thatwoman  |  December 3, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    I am wondering just how many peole will be effected it is a very very large practice and asking one of the people who work for them I asked what medical coverage they had MMO sooooooo we will see how this plays out Loraine

  • 3. thatwoman  |  December 3, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    One of the automatically generated links -people who wear ties and ride in limos is worth a read :)

  • 4. BTB  |  December 3, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    I also received those letters. I’ve been with my SMC Dr. for more than 10 years and have come to appreciate the facilities (testing done right there, walk-in hours, etc.) and his excellent care he’s given my family. It was quite a shock. I have an upcoming Dr.’s appointment (made months ago) and you can be sure I’ll be asking a few questions. In the meantime, I’ve visited Medical Mutual’s website and viewed a list of possible doctors.

  • 5. thatwoman  |  December 3, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Thanks BTB , I must admit I had no complaints about the care , I just hated the “fast track” waiting room and the train station atmosphere, BUT that being said I can understand WHY the need however I was spoiled with a small intimate offices and “ownership”…..I can see that actually this is going to be the way that Dr’s. will have to do “business” …..

    What ever happens we the patients are in the middle of the fight between the Dr’s. and the Insurance companies…… and we really won’t have a lot to say ……. my family are leaving the group because they will not be accepting the MMO which is the plans given by the employers…. we had in one month ( through the test at the group , surgery fees office visits over 12,000 dollars charged .. and the one illness of 10 months so far has wracked up over a quarter of a million in charges to the insurance company ……. I couldn’t afford to pay out even one tenth of that ….so what to do?

  • 6. Brian  |  December 3, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    While I can understand the problems that this situation can cause, I am always reminded of the many folks who only medical care is the Lorain County Free Clinic.

    To poor to be able to buy insurance, and most likely because their employer doesn’t offer a plan, they are out in no mans land. Try to schedule a doctors appointment and tell them you have no insurance and see what the doctors office tells you.

    Switch seats for a second with the doctor and should you consider seeing every person that calls irregardless if they can pay you or not?

    Most folks out there are one or two paychecks or medical emergency away from bankruptsy.

  • 7. thatwoman  |  December 3, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    there are horror stories on both sides and just last month ( as linked in this article)
    http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/cancer-the-most-obscene-word-i-know/ and this little boy’s family is one of many .we see their fund raisers all the time ….. and having a daughter in law that has completed medical school and is now in residency I know the costs incurred for her training and what she is going through and then the lymphoma diagnose for my son…… the fact that my “darlin doctor” had to retire because of the costs….

    it is a pandora’s box BUT in the end who is going to speak up for the patient???

    It is a bit like being in the middle of the road with a semi truck in each direction coming directly at you …… they each have their right to the road but the poor guy without a leg to stand on the line ….where is he gonna run to get out of the way ?

  • 8. BTB  |  December 3, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Around the same time I received the letters, my husband comes home with the news that the cost of insurance thru his job will increase after the 1st of the year. So in the end, we’re paying more, but with less choices. I know, at least we have insurance coverage. I attended the Free Clinic’s steak fry fundraiser in September. What an amazing organization. Without them many people would definitely go without. Also, to my surprise, I heard that there are some people who rely on them do have jobs (no insurance provided). It’s a crying shame.

  • 9. thatwoman  |  December 3, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    I am going to put up the link to the Free clinic and do a plug for them tomorrow morning in the meantime here is their website
    http://www.lcfreeclinic.org/

  • 10. becky smith  |  December 4, 2008 at 1:52 am

    It is the greed that will get them in the end. They will lose more patients then they initailly realized. This also effects many of teachers in Lorain city schools. It was discussed at a union meeting and most of the teachers present go to the superior medical place. It also effects many of the county workers. so, if they lose hundreds of patients they will lose in the end. It would be smarter to take less from more then more from less. There is a DR. office on every major corner. They need us more then we need them. That mortgage payment may be hard to make.

  • 11. thatwoman  |  December 4, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Becky thanks for the comment LCS is our 2nd largest employer …I am wondering why the msm hasn’t picked up on this ( at least on line- I haven’t seen anything) to me this is the tip of an iceberg …. I figured if 5 of my immediate family were effected ( and we aren’t a large family) then that was quite a ratio ( locally) well we will see how this plays out Loraine

  • 12. Loraine Ritchey  |  December 4, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    One of my family members called one of Dr’s. offices today asking they get their records ready for collection. The office tried to talk them out of leaving and said that they would give them a “deal” .. (wish I had been party to that conversation ).if anyone else is offered a “deal” please share the info if you would my family memeber just sai d no they would be transferring and didn’t want to do any deals…….. but now I am more than curious

  • 13. Loraine Ritchey  |  December 5, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Another patient heard from .they were told don’t worry we will accept what your insurance (MMO??) pays I guess my question is DO YOU GET THIS IN WRITING and FOR HOW LONG IS THE OFFER???? REMEMBER BUYER BEWARE

  • 14. thatwoman  |  December 5, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Ok well I just talked to one of the Drs. who was very nice ( I had no problem with his care etc.) and he said that his office would work with the patients and accept what their benefits were. However he could not guarantee the test costs etc. , we would probably have to go for testing where were were covered.which kind of negates the “all in the same place” aspect of the Superior Medical Care. I told him I just don’t want to be caught in the middle .I don’t want to have to find out who covers what and who doesn’t it was bad enough when you are ill to have to sort through this stuff…… so unfortunately because of this we have to leave……and things have to be sorted out between the Drs. and the Insurance companies in this situation without the patient…… Loraine

  • 15. BTB  |  December 5, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Very interesting. I’m waiting until my appointment in a couple of weeks to find out what my family’s “options” will be. Your updates have been very informative.

  • 16. Loraine Ritchey  |  December 5, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    I just don’t think this is an easy situation for any involved, the Dr’s who quite frankly just want to practice medicine not business and who are also being told by insurance companies HOW to practice medicine and what treatment “they concur with” …. for the insurance companies who are being charged for tests and treatments that are over the top…. the patient who is looking to be “able to go the the DR.” without worrying about the cost…the people facing catastophic illness who watch their “caps” looming closer…. it is a very bad situation all around for everyone…..and it needs to be sorted ..The USA has the very best in Dr.s and facilities…..but at what price? I lived under the Canadian Health Care system The British and the American all have their faults and their good things…if only we could take the good things from each.but I think I will be dead before then…. Loraine

  • 17. thatwoman  |  December 8, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    I just was looking at the Fireman’s contract and in it out of network for them would be 60/40 instead of 80/20 that is quite a percentage to pay if you went “out of network” as they would be going to one of the Drs. involved in this group…. Loraine
    http://www.cityoflorain.org/documents/council/packet_12-8-08_839.pdf

  • 18. Barb Brandau  |  December 9, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Wow! I have really been out of the loop. I was unemployed for 14 months with no insurance; thus I never went to my regular Dr. Wynn at Superior. I finally got a job in Cleveland and now have a 10 hour day (including the commute) but I’m so grateful to have insurance again. I recently got a letter from Superior telling me that Dr. Wynn had moved out of state and Dr. Bak had taken over her patients. My daugher saw Dr. Bak but unfornuately her insurance company didn’t pay anything for the visit and she ended up paying the entire amount herself. I recently came down with at UTI and a yeast infection, so following the huge add in the CT (as seen in this blog) I tried to call Superior on Saturday at 9 AM (they said they are open) but after 3 tries I gave up. Insurance companies frown on people going to the Med Express Places…and frankly I don’t care for them either…I didn’t go but had an antibioltic from some other ailment that I began taking. I decided to go on the web and see who I could go to (that MMO) would approve of and I ran across this blog. Wow! Not only do doctors not accomodate patients (we all have to work to pay for them)…those who say they have extended hours do not really have them. I don’t have the luxury to come to their office at 9 or 10 AM…Then if you get an appointment you can sit in the waiting room for an hour or so because they are so overbooked. I don’t know…is having insurance better than not? I think the whole system is really broken.

  • 19. thatwoman  |  December 9, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Hi Barb ..it is so damned frustrating as well as expensive and then you have to deal with these things when you are probably ill as well…….. at one office I looked into the ( a group situation ) it was requested the Drs. get you in an out in 15 minutes..by the time they look at your chart put a face to a name you had better “write” down all your symptoms …Loraine

  • 20. exsmcemployee  |  December 18, 2008 at 2:11 am

    I used to work for SMC actually posting the Medical Mutual payments – I can tell you that this is all about $, not the care of the patients. SMC has multiple contracts with MMO, for various plans, and only one Medicare HMO plan was paying slightly less than Medicares fee schedule payment. The rest paid a higher rate – say 15 or 25% higher than that, and I think its quite interesting to read that letter from MMO – it does not mention WHICH plan that refers to, and also does not even say its paying LESS than medicares fee schedule. It says it is terminating a certain fee contract and bringing it in line with the other rates. I’d love to find out the whole story here. Whenever “the administrator” would find out a plan was not paying correctly (and assuming it was BILLED correctly to begin with, which I wont’ even get into!), he would just tell the office manager to sever the contract. $$$, not quality of care! (Tell me why else a spa and tanning bed are open in a physician office setting? Dont those cause cancer? – but the $ means more!) He compares his payments to that of the Cleveland Clinic and feels the SMC rates should be in line with CC. Hence the caresourse cancellation, etc. I think its very sad and they fail to realize how much this will impact their practice. MMO is SMC’s highest payor besides Medicare, and the majority of the patients do NOT have Medicare. I also think its funny how they think the patients can just go switch to one of the plans they suggest and still accept – most people that have insurance have it mandated by their employer and/or union, or have signed up for a Medicare HMO and can’t just change it whenever they feel like it. A huge portion of the problem is also the unknowledgable staff. They don’t get authorizations when needed, billing errors, etc – and I knew how to rebill these and resolve these issues but have no idea what has been happening with these since I left. I also have MMO from my husbands insurance, and I immediately changed to Tri-City Family Medicine in Amherst, and the doctor I have there, is far better, nicer, and more thorough than my doctor at SMC ever was – I get the same in office and level of care that I got at SMC. This is “god complex” gone way too far. Its unfortunate that many innocent patients and good physicians are now caught up in this mess – but I think its going to be a huge wake up call, because a large chunk of their money will be going out the door with the majority of their patients. I don’t see how they will be able to ever sustain not having MMO as an accepted insurance company. What a HUGE mistake. I wish you all well in finding new physicians with MMO. Better to do it now, then have to later for this coming back to bite them! You may end up glad you did.

  • 21. thatwoman  |  December 18, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Thank you exsmcemployee – there certaibnly seems to be more to this than meets the eye and the saga continues…I had wondered why the media hadn’t picked this up on the story( at least I haven’t seen it on line anywhere) or in the real copies that do come my way ) since it involves a number of employees oftwo of Lorain’s largest employers – but I guess it would be difficult to trade off the huge ads that are appearing in the newspapers by SMC Loraine

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