CRA (p) Quotes of the Day!!!

February 12, 2010 at 7:52 pm 8 comments

UPDATE SATURDAY ( The Chronicle has a quote too :)

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2010/02/13/attorney-urges-clients-not-to-sign-cra-release/

Some residents who lost their abatements as part of the settlement were irritated Friday as they showed up at City Hall to sign paperwork so they could get the refund.

Jim Gocek who lives in Morningside, a 55-and-older community on the city’s west side, called the form “blackmail.”

Gocek, 68, said the whole process has created an atmosphere of mistrust between residents who built or bought in a CRA and the city.

“We’re all very mistrustful of Council and the city,” he said. “We want it done and over with … We’re not going to sue the city, but it’s hurt the trust. It has led to feelings of mistrust and irritation

Caught in the middle!!!!

Remember this quote from the Morning Journal article ( emphasis mine)?

http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2010/02/11/news/mj2287315.txt

“If someone has a lawyer, they should discuss this matter with their lawyer before coming in if they’re represented, but we’re there to try and answer questions and inform people,” Smith said.

Armed with our “questions” and my trusty tape recorder, my daughter and I turned up at City Hall at 9:30 for the 10 am. meeting .

We were moved from the Police Training room into Council Chambers.

1ST QUOTE OF THE DAY

IF YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY WE CAN’T TALK TO YOU !!!

Now WHY would that be I wonder?

2nd QUOTE OF THE DAY

ANYONE THAT HAS MORE THAN TWO QUESTIONS HAS TO WAIT UNTIL THE END!

Would that be 9 o”clock tonight?

I asked :

Do you want a copy of our questions ?


NO! we don’t

Therefore I went to the 7th floor and handed the questions to the Law Dept . -since I was assured by the MJ report that they were there to answer questions and inform .

So although we were first because we had our list of questions ( more than the required 2??? Linda Keys ( Deputy Auditor for the County) and Howard Goldberg ( Community Development and the City) took a little lady who wanted to “APPLY” for the CRA on her 2009 Build. She started signing the paperwork and then there was a YES ? NO? discussion between the City and the County – Goldberg and Keys left the room to Council Caucus Room.

After 20 minutes of waiting and the Council Chamber filling up with homeowners ( where is the media when you want them ???) I personally got fed up with the fiasco went into the pine sol soaked hallway and called the author of the City of Lorain’s letter Mr. Robert Gilchrist and left a message that this was a fiasco!

Mr. Gilchrist came down to the chambers almost immediately and off he went into the Caucas room.

After some explanation it turns out that we were back on a first come first served basis , and that clarification was needed from attorneys for this lady.

( Note) There were three copies of the Judgement available ( put quietly on a table – no explanation as to what they were) with the supporting documentation which actually made this document 4 times the size of the one downloaded off the City of Lorain website. Why is this important?

If you sign the the Consent Form you declare that you have reviewed this document. A straw poll of those in attendance when asked if they had read this epistle of legalese NOT ONE HAD! But they were already to sign that form ……..Amazing !!!!! Didn’t this fiasco start with council members not reading???

Since it was now first come first served -we had our turn at the table gave the City and the County our list of questions.

QUOTE FROM THE CITY:

YOU WILL NOT GET WRITTEN ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS THEY ARE TOO LEGAL IN NATURE?
ERRRRRRRRRRRR EXCUSE ME BUT AREN’T WE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR LEGAL RIGHTS AS HOMEOWNERS, WE AREN’T ASKING FOR THE RECIPE FOR BROWNIES ( OF COURSE THEY WOULD BE LEGAL IN NATURE DUH!!!!) !!!!!

Basically , if you are like my daughter a new build , you will have to sign the settlement consent form because to quote:

“If you are going to stand on ceremony of not signing that consent form and giving us the W9 unless these are signed and these aren’t signed and it is February 20th you have just taken a big roll of dice “

Apparently the abatement will be null and void and the Auditor can and has the power to also make you pay back taxes that would be due.

Either sign by February 18th /19th not to sue and sign off on any redress ( no matter what happens- remember these people have already been caught up in legal maneuverings. ) or you lose. Over the proverbial barrel

There was much more but the smell of Pine sol overdose permeating the air from the the hallways , the fact that the goobledegook gave us a headache , it was nearly lunchtime and a baby needed feeding and feeling sorry for the rest of the homeowners who were waiting – we left to return another day ( maybe then things will be clearer between the City and County and they will be on the same page, because as we left another trip to the Caucas room was happening.

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8 Comments Add your own

  • 1. joe smith  |  February 12, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Wow!!! They needed executive sessions?

  • 2. Mark  |  February 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    …maybe then things will be clearer between the City and County and they will be on the same page

    And maybe monkeys will fly out of council’s collective butt.

  • 3. Loraine Ritchey  |  February 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Mark I thought that is why they went ape sh** :)

  • 4. Loraine Ritchey  |  February 12, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    You know this whole thing was confusing from start to finsih ( and wil l we ever finish…….they couldn’t talk to us if we had a lawyer but you couldn’t ask them any questions that pertain to “legal” so much for helping and informing….

    For an attorney to go through that settlement agreement do you know how much that is going to cost….. the cynic in me says they know that for the most people like the lady that came in as we were walking out I just want to sign and get this BS over with .she has no intention of reading anything bet she is the first to moan if something goes squiffy though :) .Unfortunately the City and the County have lost trust with the people .once bitten twice shy

    Well what you gonna do they have to sign otherwise more legal fees….. Loraine

  • 5. Grammy  |  February 13, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    You can fool some of the people some of the time, and, all of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool Loraine {and the rest of us who can see through your (City and County officials) attempt to ramrod your way once again down our throats.} It’s too bad that they only know how to intimidate and mis-speak instead of being honest and open. The rush to get it over with mentality is what helped get us where we are today.

  • 6. Loraine Ritchey  |  February 13, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Well Grammy it all comes down to “legalese” The city lawyers doing what they can to protect the city ( that is what we pay them for. … the county lawyers doing what they can to get the best deal for the county.( and we pay them too) all taxpayers money ….all the lawyers in between looking out for their clients ( the number of lawyers who represent the other interested parties) bet we are paying for them too or at least most of them …. see first page of the Judgement then of course you have the property owners that are caught up in this… .some have retained their own attorney at their own expense who will try and protect their client and then you have the property owner who hasn’t got an attorney or the money to fight for their rights….. as with everything in this case it comes down to who has got the deepest pockets wins. …that is why basically the City settled ( as stated in numerous articles) WHY the County and the City couldn’t have sat down in the first place back in 2007 and sorted this out in the first place is disgraceful…….it has cost us the taxpayers hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars……. but it has also cost credibility and as I said three years ago the only real winners are the lawyers……as they all win…….as they deposit their checks…… It is the way of the world……

  • 7. anne molnar  |  February 13, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Keep it up Loraine, Because I also had it up to my eye balls with all the shenanigans with the CRA and all the Attorneys. Never in all my years serving this city as your council person ,I can only observe this as one big fiasco with no end to it. It is quite obvious, that the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.

    This reminds me of the Indians who
    wanted to take our land for a casino. Remember that Loraine. We did a big war dance with them around that issue and won.
    I have no trouble passing the new CRA legislation, in hopes that it is reviewed carefully by the Department of Development and the County, in order to avoid any future repercussions. thanks for helping those people yesterday who were left in the dark.

  • 8. Loraine Ritchey  |  February 13, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Do I ever remember those people and that dog and pony show put on by the Foltin Follies with the psuedo Indians and their point man.remember what we were called abd it seems so funny that all the other newspapers carried the information that that point man had a “record” for fraud but that never came out in Lorain??? … lets see the last figures I had on that before the “accounting was buried” was over 100,000 dollars spent on that particular “let us get to the table”

    As for the CRA(p) and P stands for politics…… Oh Geesh!!! You wonder whether Stewart would have been so quick to jump into the legal arena ( rather than sorting this out as a one government entity to another) if those legal bills had to come from him personally as it is having to come from the pocket of the homeowners……..

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