CRA (p) Quotes of the Day!!!
UPDATE SATURDAY ( The Chronicle has a quote too :)
Some residents who lost their abatements as part of the settlement were irritated Friday as they showed up at City Hall to sign paperwork so they could get the refund.
Jim Gocek who lives in Morningside, a 55-and-older community on the city’s west side, called the form “blackmail.”
Gocek, 68, said the whole process has created an atmosphere of mistrust between residents who built or bought in a CRA and the city.
“We’re all very mistrustful of Council and the city,” he said. “We want it done and over with … We’re not going to sue the city, but it’s hurt the trust. It has led to feelings of mistrust and irritation
Caught in the middle!!!!
Remember this quote from the Morning Journal article ( emphasis mine)?
“If someone has a lawyer, they should discuss this matter with their lawyer before coming in if they’re represented, but we’re there to try and answer questions and inform people,” Smith said.
Armed with our “questions” and my trusty tape recorder, my daughter and I turned up at City Hall at 9:30 for the 10 am. meeting .
We were moved from the Police Training room into Council Chambers.
1ST QUOTE OF THE DAY
IF YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY WE CAN’T TALK TO YOU !!!
Now WHY would that be I wonder?
2nd QUOTE OF THE DAY
ANYONE THAT HAS MORE THAN TWO QUESTIONS HAS TO WAIT UNTIL THE END!
Would that be 9 o”clock tonight?
I asked :
Do you want a copy of our questions ?
NO! we don’t
Therefore I went to the 7th floor and handed the questions to the Law Dept . -since I was assured by the MJ report that they were there to answer questions and inform .
So although we were first because we had our list of questions ( more than the required 2??? Linda Keys ( Deputy Auditor for the County) and Howard Goldberg ( Community Development and the City) took a little lady who wanted to “APPLY” for the CRA on her 2009 Build. She started signing the paperwork and then there was a YES ? NO? discussion between the City and the County – Goldberg and Keys left the room to Council Caucus Room.
After 20 minutes of waiting and the Council Chamber filling up with homeowners ( where is the media when you want them ???) I personally got fed up with the fiasco went into the pine sol soaked hallway and called the author of the City of Lorain’s letter Mr. Robert Gilchrist and left a message that this was a fiasco!
Mr. Gilchrist came down to the chambers almost immediately and off he went into the Caucas room.
After some explanation it turns out that we were back on a first come first served basis , and that clarification was needed from attorneys for this lady.
( Note) There were three copies of the Judgement available ( put quietly on a table – no explanation as to what they were) with the supporting documentation which actually made this document 4 times the size of the one downloaded off the City of Lorain website. Why is this important?
If you sign the the Consent Form you declare that you have reviewed this document. A straw poll of those in attendance when asked if they had read this epistle of legalese NOT ONE HAD! But they were already to sign that form ……..Amazing !!!!! Didn’t this fiasco start with council members not reading???
Since it was now first come first served -we had our turn at the table gave the City and the County our list of questions.
QUOTE FROM THE CITY:
YOU WILL NOT GET WRITTEN ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS THEY ARE TOO LEGAL IN NATURE?
ERRRRRRRRRRRR EXCUSE ME BUT AREN’T WE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR LEGAL RIGHTS AS HOMEOWNERS, WE AREN’T ASKING FOR THE RECIPE FOR BROWNIES ( OF COURSE THEY WOULD BE LEGAL IN NATURE DUH!!!!) !!!!!
Basically , if you are like my daughter a new build , you will have to sign the settlement consent form because to quote:
“If you are going to stand on ceremony of not signing that consent form and giving us the W9 unless these are signed and these aren’t signed and it is February 20th you have just taken a big roll of dice “
Apparently the abatement will be null and void and the Auditor can and has the power to also make you pay back taxes that would be due.
Either sign by February 18th /19th not to sue and sign off on any redress ( no matter what happens- remember these people have already been caught up in legal maneuverings. ) or you lose. Over the proverbial barrel
There was much more but the smell of Pine sol overdose permeating the air from the the hallways , the fact that the goobledegook gave us a headache , it was nearly lunchtime and a baby needed feeding and feeling sorry for the rest of the homeowners who were waiting – we left to return another day ( maybe then things will be clearer between the City and County and they will be on the same page, because as we left another trip to the Caucas room was happening.