The Cowboys of Lorain- Part Two -The Demo Men!

January 25, 2013 at 3:18 pm 17 comments

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Part One:

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/the-cowboys-of-lorain-building-standards-part-one/

I sat in the audience of a meeting with regard to Demolitions on Jan 18th at Lorain City Hall. The process was very polite and controlled – The Board Members trying their level best to be responsive , polite and to give due process in order to shy away from “law suits” against the city due to not following the procedures.The actions were very deliberate and staying within given parameters.

That is how we are different nowadays from the old west – we couch our opinions so as not to offend so we aren’t dragged into another courtroom. Most of the business on hand was cut and dried , only three of the homes set for demolition had anyone speak for them.

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One was the home covered in Busters House Blog
http://bustershouse.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/as-seen-in-lorain-3620-clifton-avenue-and-the-second-chance/

and the following post
http://bustershouse.wordpress.com/2013/01/19/as-seen-in-lorain-3620-clifton-avenue-and-the-second-second-chance/

3620 Clifton, Lorain with photos purchased two years ago for TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS – judge for yourself if this can be brought to a livable SAFE- quality of life dwelling for $17,000. I sincerely hope so – let us hope it becomes the poster child for HOW REHAB SHOULD BE DONE!

It is my understanding that the owners of 3620 Clifton presented an acceptable plan to the Board and will have to bring proof of progress to the next meeting on February 28th.

I know what I thought as I listened and I have a bridge in Brooklyn too, but fair is fair they, the owners ( JOHNSON NATHANIEL BARBEE JOSEPH
240 BRACE STREET ELYRIA, OH 44035) were there appealing the demolition decision they wanted to be heard as is their right and they were.

Alright, so they may have not been exactly truthful when stating the week before they only owned the property for a year- it was two- and those back taxes well that was literally not answered . But they got their “stay of demolition” to give them a chance at rehab.
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Then this chap came up to the microphone,he rose with difficulty from his seat, he stumbled,limped his way across the floor , his face clouded with anxiety. He looked like he needed to be cared for and seemingly having the weight of the world on his shoulders – I actually felt sorry for this poor old geezer– er that is until I found out it was the infamous George Schneider - he of numerous blog posts and owner of hundreds of properties in this community.

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/george-schneider-appealing-properties-or-wheres-the-judgement/

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/george-schneider-4-years-and-still-timely-fame-it-and-shame-it/

I don’t know who I was more annoyed with - myself- for almost being taken in by his demeanor or the fact Georgie Porgy was asking for yet another of his properties to be given a 2nd chance. The appeals board denied his appeal but I bet you anything you like George’s attorney – Brett English will be back on the case “appealing” to a higher court.( Watch this space)

As I sat there with other audience members, I realized there were three scenarios happening in those chambers- all having different agendas- There was:

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The Board - trying to be fair and equitable giving chances and listening to the ones appealing within the framework of the “process” – their faces thoughtful and polite.

The Pleaders – give us another chance puleeeeeeeze ( for any number of “reasons” as to why their property deemed unsafe etc. should be given another chance –

The Community – with the glut of diseased and disgraceful housing in our neighborhoods- we sat there wanting MORE- wanting to say what we really thought – not to be constricted by PC thinking or silenced by “The Process”- our faces- if not the spoken word- reflected on how we truly felt .

The Good – The Bad – and The UGLY

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The Cowboys of Lorain- ( Building standards) Part One The Cowboys of Lorain- THE PROCESS- Q and A Part three

17 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Rich Robbin  |  January 25, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Can’t wait to read more!

  • 2. Brian  |  January 25, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    I believe that the “process” seems to be pretty straight forward. While it may appear flawed in some respects, the big picture appears to be that many homes are coming down.

    I don’t know how many properties were demoed with the 3 million that the last mayor had available, now that many of the homes that Howard Goldberg bought and let sit vacant and decayed are gone, I have seen some progress.

  • 3. Loraine Ritchey  |  January 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Brian the” demo process” is one thing……/ it is the accountability through Inspections…… that is wellllllll you can decide for yourself …….. the questions and part one of the answers will be up Monday after the questions and answers I am hoping we can at least come to dialogue as to how we can change the “process” we will see

  • 4. Brian  |  January 26, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    I have reservations about having the building department doing housing inspections.

  • 5. Loraine Ritchey  |  January 27, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    You would be right in those reservations especially as things stand in my opinion

  • 6. Brian  |  January 27, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    The reason why I have reservations is because I believe that you don’t need a special building certification to make observations of the obvious, therefore allowing the building inspectors to work on projects that merit their certifications. It is similar to having police officers be crossing guards. The police are more than capable, but hardly the best use of their training and education with all things considered.

  • 7. Loraine Ritchey  |  January 27, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Who decides the requirements? Lorain or the state

  • 8. Brian  |  January 27, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    The State of Ohio has already decided what the minimum standards are, and the city adopted a standard that SOMEONE else wrote that is copyrighted. The decisions have been made for us so the next decision that should be made IMHO is policy.

    The laws are already written, and just look at other cities that have effectively implemented programs. I have said it before, and I will say it again.

    COPY AND PASTE

    Remember at one time the City of Lorain didn’t have an employee manual? Didn’t take council to write one, just policies and procedures.

  • 9. Loraine Ritchey  |  January 27, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    no that isn’t what I am asking in response to your comment

    I believe that you don’t need a special building certification to make observations of the obvious, therefore allowing the building inspectors to work on projects that merit their certifications. It is similar to having police officers be crossing guards...

    Does the state manadate that or can the city legally decide for itself the conditions of certification???

  • 10. Brian  |  January 27, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Does it take a certified building inspector to OBSERVE that paint is peeling on a house or the gutters are missing and take a picture. It doesn’t take a certified building inspector to OBSERVE that the lawn is two foot high and take a picture. It doesn’t take a certified building inspector to OBSERVE that there are three steps on a house and that it should have a handrail.

    It doesn’t take a certified building inspector to notice that a porch is crooked and appears to be unsafe and notify the certified building inspector to visit the property and use that certification to cause it to get repaired in a manner that is safe.

  • 11. Brian  |  January 27, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    POLICY AND PROCEDURE

  • 12. Loraine Ritchey  |  January 27, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    It doesn’t take a certified building inspector to OBSERVE that the lawn is two foot high and take a picture. It doesn’t take a certified building inspector to OBSERVE that there are three steps on a house and that it should have a handrail.

    It doesn’t take a certified building inspector to notice that a porch is crooked and appears to be unsafe and notify the certified building inspector to visit the property and use that certification to cause it to get repaired in a manner that is safe.

    Logic and commopn sense would dictate that Brian but we are talking about government and logic and common sense never enters into it… :)

    the policy and procedure will be up tomorrow well part of it looks like I will have to do two parts

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