Posts filed under ‘city of lorain’

General (ly) Gillmore- the portraits of men- Part 7

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA

Part One http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/general-quincy-a-gillmore-the-dining-room-dilemna/

Part Two http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/general-ly-gillmore-lorain-the-early-years/

Part Three http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/generally-gillmore-lorain-the-early-years-pt-3/

Part Four http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/generally-gillmore-lorain-part-4/

Part Five http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/general-ly-gillmore-lorain-civil-war-part-5/

Part Six http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/26/general-lygillmore-recogniton-lorain-pt-6/

I feel all at sea when it comes to deciphering the Gillmores, Peggy left clues and enough information to tantalize but then?????????

In part five I questioned the identity as to the man on the far right as indeed being our General Quincy Adams Gillmore-

Gillmore Family

I am still hoping to find out for sure. Looking at the man to the left – the man designated as Cornelius Reid Gillmore – Quartus’s son -the resemblance to Quartus’s brother Alanson is uncanny- my thoughts are is this just an extremely strong family resemblance between uncle (Alanson) and nephew or could this be Quartus brother ( 15 years his junior) – does this look to be the photo of a 20 year old- Cornelius Reid???? more questions than answers – hints and then nothing!

alanson gilmore old
pegtinres

alanson
Alanson

Alanson Gillmore’s Obituary February 1895 from the original newspaper cutting from Peggy’s file Click on to enlarge
AGillmore Obitres
Aobit2res
You can find more information and another obituary here

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=66881156

Alanson, however had a son Simon A Gillmore – it was his lovely little house that I first saw across from the park ( which I now know was donated by General Gilmore’s sister Sophia Gillmore Leslie to the city of Lorain) and what is now the Antlers “parking lot” when I came, as a bride myself, to Lorain. I remember thinking how pretty the house was only to see it was torn down weeks later
simon houseres In the same faded envelope another photo of a another home. Was this the home on the corner owned by the Gillmores that is now where the Antlers Hotel apartment building stands or possibly the house next to that another of the Gilmores (124)? Who are the people on this front porch, the lady in the rocking chair, the man on the steps and the rather dapper young lady at the rail? What did they do who were they? We will probably never know- there is no writing- as there is on the back of the Simon Gillmore House- stating what it is and where.
other gillmores
other gillmores1 But what we do know of Simon Gillmore, who owned that pretty house I so liked across from the park his Aunt Sophia donated to the city, was married to a Celia Frances Chapman aka Celia F Gillmore .

Gillmoresimonplot

Simon was a ship’s captain and sailed the Great Lakes . He received his Masters certificate for steam – 1st of May 1897Simon's pilot license

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Gillmore&GSiman=1&GScid=40715&GRid=64519308&

And so we have Generals, ship builders, and captains all eking a living out of this village / town Black River/ Charleston/Lorain.

Much wheeling and dealing had gone on in this community – from Page 213 of Lorain County History It seems Quartus Gillmore tried his hand at land speculation and sold off swathes of it . The land speculation, due to the fact the canal and railroad would be located here, found John S Reid and Quartus selling off the land … From Page 213 of The History of Lorain County

. General Quincy Adams Gillmore, would have been around 11 or 12 when the Ohio Railroad scheme fell through. Can imagine the euphoria in the farm house ( now Lakeview Park) as the word of riches and easier times were discussed around the dinner table and the let down when it all went bust. But that didn’t stop the Gillmores they continued to add to this community and a young man named Quincy Adams Gillmore entered West Point just 8 years later at the age of 20.

one

two
three
fourfive

To Be Continued

September 30, 2014 at 12:04 am Leave a comment

General (ly) Gillmore – Lorain- Civil War – Part 5

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA

Part One http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/general-quincy-a-gillmore-the-dining-room-dilemna/

Part Twohttp://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/general-ly-gillmore-lorain-the-early-years/

Part Three
http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/generally-gillmore-lorain-the-early-years-pt-3/

Part Four http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/generally-gillmore-lorain-part-4/
Quartus Gillmore came with his father from Mass. to clear and work the 1,000 acres .

Quartus sons He had 4 sons and 4 daughters

Below is a photo of Quartus Gillmore and Elizabeth Reid. ( center) ( courtesy of Matt Weisman)-
Gillmore Family

The photo was purchased by Matt Weisman as a photo of Quartus and his family as stated with the text here :

Seller Notes: “Huge Vintage One Of A Kind Photo”
Original/Reprint: Original Print Photo Type: Huge Albumen
Listed By: Dealer or Reseller Subject: Quincy AdamsGilmore,Parents,Brother,AustrianKnight
Date of Creation: 1861 Region of Origin: US
Huge Old Photo The person seated at the lower right is Brigadier General Quincy Adams Gillmore (1825-1888). My guess is that the two people seated in the center front are Quartus Gillmore (1790-1869) and his wife Elizabeth Reid Gilmore (1797-1876)…..the parents of Brigadier General Quincy Adams Gillmore. My guess is that the person seated lower left is Cornelius Reid Gillmore (1841-1911)..the brother of Brigadier General Quincy Adams Gillmore. My guess is that the person standing furthest to the left is Ann Fitzgerald Gillmore (1840-1914) …the wife of Cornelius Reid Gillmore. —————– I believe that the photo album that this pic came from belonged to Cornelius Reid Gillmore. His is the pic in the album (not included) that is in the number 1 position. A pic in the number 3 position in the album is for certain Brigadier General Quincy Adams Gillmore. That pic is in a separate listing. Notice how the women behind Cornelius is close to him and has her hand on him as if she is his wife…an affectionate touching it really looks like…. Then notice how the women behind Quincy Adams is sort of further back and the hand is on him like she is feeling sorry for him in terms of Quincy losing his wife in 1861. I believe this pic was taken in the early to mid 1860s.Probably 1861. The Album which this photo came from included many cabinet photos of the people in this photo later in life. One of those cabinet photos was Quincy Adams Gillmore. Right smack in the middle of some of the other cabinet photos of people in this huge photo. Another Tell is look at the hair of Quartus and look at the hair around the ear of Quincy in the other listing of him as a Brigadier General. (if the other listing is up) The hair is sort of wavy around the ears of both of them.

**** ED. NOTE
This is, as stated, “guess work” by the seller- personally I have a reasonable doubt as to the person said to be General Gillmore is our General- however, I would love to have the people here confirmed as to their identity .

None the less General Quincy Adams Gillmore was the son of Quartus and Elizabeth and was born on the family farm – now known as Lakeview Park.

Matt Weisman

Matt Weisman

There are a great many stories and accounts of General Gillmore “some” of which can be found here

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/biographies/quincy-gillmore.html

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Quincy_Gillmore

http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA546281

http://www.battleofolustee.org/reports/gillmore1.htm

and Matt Weisman local historian, researcher has presentations available on the fame and life of General Quincy Adams Gillmore .
You can reach Matt and read about the presentation in the document link that follows:

Local History Presentations by Matthew Weisman

eriepoem
There is a lot more to Quincy Adams Gillmore- a young man who authored a poem at West Point in 1846 titled Erie ( now for sale on E-Bay for $6,500 dollars ) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1846-West-Point-Cadet-Poem-Titled-Erie-by-Quincy-Adams-Gillmore-

But I want to go back to recent history – that of the gathering in my dining room- as we salivated like kids in a candy store over the artifacts from Peggy.

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/history-mystery-lives-of-lorain-gillmore/

Of course there were the photos and history of the Gillmores and the pride they felt for their famous Civil War General. This was evidenced by an old print found tightly rolled in a cardboard tube –

COPY RIGHT 1890 STORMING OF FORT WAGNER – “CHARGE OF THE 54 MASS(COL) RGT JULY 18TH 1863- (UNION) GENERAL GILLMORE

Unfortunately, the whole print would not fit in my scanner but here is a jpg of the 1890 print .
gillmore  scan

http://www.gilderlehrman.org/collections/1341afdb-9ee3-4c39-819c-400444799327

The finding of this print sent us off on the little known “glory” of the General……….

https://sites.google.com/a/w-csd.org/civil-war/pop-culture/artwork/storming-fort-wagner

To be continued

September 23, 2014 at 12:05 pm Leave a comment

George Schneider- A property Legacy- WHAT NOW?????

Schneider George 011813

George Schneider , a relatively young man, passed away in his home, one of the hundreds he owned in Lorain and Elyria.

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/09/21/lorain-elyria-landlord-dies-51/

He was , according to Kent Sutton during a recent discussion with me

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/08/26/the-time-has-come-the-walrus-said-lorain/

“really nice guy”

. Friends have extolled his virtues and contributions to the German culture .

http://www.morningjournal.com/general-news/20140919/lorain-businessman-george-schneider-dies-at-51

I never personally met George . I only know George from my neighborhood through his properties, which leave a lot to be desired. I have written about George extensively over the years – Go to the search box in the right hand corner of this page and type in George Schneider.

George has left Lorain a legacy, a legacy of properties that are for the most part in poor shape.

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2013/07/07/cracking-the-code-lorain-landlord-leads-in-violations-supports-citys-anti-blight-efforts/

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2013/07/08/lorain-council-to-discuss-mandatory-pre-sale-housing-inspections/

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2013/07/08/lorain-council-to-discuss-mandatory-pre-sale-housing-inspections/

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/05/22/elyria-property-owner-reach-agreement/

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/05/27/back-back-fires-keep-crews-busy/

George’s unexpected passing reminds us of the death of Lewis Strnad .

lewis strnad
I did have occasion to meet with Lew Strnad

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2010/12/29/lewis-strnad-2/

when I was the volunteer Mainstreet Lorain Director, on occasion. He too, seemed like a nice guy. However, he was also a multi property owner and we are STILL dealing with his legacy. He is STILL listed on the Lorain County Auditors Site as the owner of over 30 properties 4 YEARS after his death.

Strnad

One property 138 Washington , a historical property , being Mayor King’s House – I have written about the frustration of getting the garbage picked up etc of this house - which is due to now be demolished –

http://www.morningjournal.com/general-news/20131031/lorain-properties-declared-nuisances-by-demolition-board

Finally, after weeks of emails etc.and contact with the city just to remove the trash bags from the outside.

Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Permission Washington Avenue
On behalf of the estate you have permission to access the property described below for the purposes described below without any liability upon the estate for anything whatsoever.
Shia N. Shapiro
Attorney for the estate of Lewis Strnad.

The issue to me now becomes WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE NOW THE OWNER IS DECEASED. To even get permission for volunteers to go on the property to take away the trash away from 138, Washington , owned by Mr. Strnad’s estate took letters,lawyers and weeks. And still the issues continue.

138 col

This house, situated on lot #76 of the original Charleston Village Plat, may date to the decade of the 1860’s ( possibly earlier) It appears on an 1874 map of Charleston Village by R.H. Penfield. The middle section of lot #76 ( on which this house stands) was sold in 1858 and again in 1861 to Julia Porter ( Grantor Julia D Root)

In 1874, Porter sold the property to Henry J. King, a salt water sailor and farmer who immigrated from England at the age of 25. This property remained in the King Family (ED NOTE- Not the King family of Admiral Ernest J King renown) with out-side ownership 1876-1882.

FRANK JOSEPH KING, son of Henry King lived in this house possibly as early as 1876 ( documented from 1891) and remained there until ca 1915.
F.J. KING was elected mayor of Lorain in 1902 and was one of only two Lorain mayors ( ED Note at the time of the survey in 1993) to suceed himself in office. He did so twice and served until 1912

Now Mr. Strnad’s properties were a fraction of the hundreds that George owns and some ,in my opinion, deployable condition. WHAT NOW ?????
nights of
GEORGE HAS LEFT LORAIN A LEGACY and I have a feeling a myriad of legal problems as to who will step in the take accountability for these properties. Maybe his business partners

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/st-george-schneider-and-the-blarney-lela/

or Lake Erie Landlords Association will step in. Somehow I think George’s Legacy to Lorain is going to be ongoing and frustrating, just as Lew Strnad’s continues to be.

NOTE this research was as of : May 27th 2014 – and can be found in the post

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/05/27/george-schneider-devalued-lorain/

PROPERTY OWNERS AND NUMBER OF PROPERTIES OWNED

GEORGE SCHNEIDER = (Under his own name) = 164
Also
G AND S PROPERTIES = (INCLUDING Jay Metals 1965 E 28th) 3

Also a
GNS PROPERTIES = 1
GEORGE (misspelled ) SCHNEIDER= 6
Also affiliated with
reds
REDS ALL AMERICAN RECYCLING = ( David Carter) = 52
DAVID CARTER= 12

Also affiliated with

FGSK PROPERTIES (inc Gustav AND Anna Krause) = 19
GUSTAV KRAUSE = 12
ANNA KRAUSE = 6
TOTAL PROPERTIES FOR THIS GROUPING = 275

September 20, 2014 at 1:59 pm 9 comments

General(ly) Gillmore- Lorain- Part 4

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA

Part One http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/general-quincy-a-gillmore-the-dining-room-dilemna/

Part Twohttp://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/general-ly-gillmore-lorain-the-early-years/

Part Three
http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/generally-gillmore-lorain-the-early-years-pt-3/

Bann Valley
The Gillmores came over the ocean 1718 ( see part three )as part of the Scotch- Irish migration in 1718 NOTE: this should not be confused with the potato famine migration. The founder of our own Lorain Gilmores, ROBERT(b- 1670), was from Coleraine, Londonderry County , Ulster, Ireland the history of these Scotch- Irish is fascinating and can be found on line here

https://archive.org/details/scotchirish00boltrich

Scotch Irish Pioneers in Ulster and America by Charles Knowles Bolton 1910
coleraine

An ocean voyage was not to be taken lightly in those times it was a horrendous undertaking- also having to prove you would not be a burden on the community in this case BOSTON – You had to be self supporting back in 1718.
BostonShips1620

http://www.doak.ws/the_voyage_to_america.htm

“When the migrations from Ireland started in 1714, vessels of all kinds were pressed into service for carrying passengers. Often times, 300 people were packed into a ship and assigned tiny cots lined up side by side to make maximum use of space. Extra floors were often installed so that more cots and hammocks could be setup to handle more people. The head room that resulted was barely enough to allow one to creep in a stooped position to an assigned cot. Men, women and children were all crammed together. Exercise room was very limited. Food was eaten “in place” with no dining rooms available. Food after the first week was moldy and sour. Water became foul and undrinkable. Disease was all too often present with disastrous results. Death at sea was a common occurrence – as was child-birth.

People dying at sea where just thrown overboard because there was no way to preserve bodies long enough to reach shore. One considering a sea journey had to look beyond just the comfort aspects of the trip – there was a very real chance that one would not arrive at all. Storms were an all too often occurrence as there was no way to predict the weather. Ships were often blown off course to arrive weeks late and to be forced into ports far from their original destination. Pirates were very common, operating without hindrance off the American coast during the first half of the 1700’s.”

The Gilmores( Gillmores) ended up in Nutfield / Londonderry, New Hampshire http://www.londonderryhistory.org/townhist and acquired land – Robert some 70 acres and his son William (b 1686) apparently two shares- and a 50 acre farm, he was also appointed as one of the surveyors of highways- he had by 1753 amassed a princely worth of 2,299.10 LSD (pounds) about 200,000 dollars in today’s money.

James Gilmore(b-1728) ( son of William) left New Hampshire in about 1768 and ended up in Massachusetts, There is some confusion as to place names and where was what due to annexation and name changes . However it seems James’son Edmund (b-1763) exchanged the farm of 200 acres for the 1000 acres in what is now Lorain, Ohio .

the land

As I drove to my daughter’s the other day, entering West Erie Avenue from Washington Ave and Veterans Park , past the homes, along the shore, past Lakeview Park, past the Elyria Water Plant, I thought of Peggy’s family, Edmund and his son Quartus Gillmore, who had “owned all of this land “ just 200 years ago. How they had built that first cabin in what would have been totally virgin forest.

Imagine the darkness, no light coming from any sort of street lamps, no road just a cart track, huge trees – their leaves blocking the only light- that of the moon. Night time would find them in total darkness, an inky blackness with only the crashing waves on the shore for company. Their meager light from the fire candles and oil lanterns . In summer the stifling heat that can come with humidity draining the life from one. They must have blessed the breeze from Lake Erie as they toiled in summer heat. The women having to keep the cook fires alight in such a climate.

As the autumn nights closed in and winter winds howled, no snow plows, struggling through Ohio snows to feed the stock, bring in feed and water.
clearing land
Quartus (b 1790), Edmund’s son – 22 years old or so taking what implements they had carried with them to “clear the land and build a cabin” where the Easter Basket now stands. You have to wonder why that particular spot to build their first cabin. My thinking is it was probably in the middle of the tract of land they owned the 1,000 acres hugging the lake shore from what is now Washington Ave to nearly the underpass ( according to Peggy).

They built close to the lake and beach but protected from the lake’s wrath and waves by the drop off to the lake and beach. The lake and harbor was and still is a means of transportation so it made sense, to me at least. And, there is that old story ( every time there is flooding in Lorain) as to the streams and small rivers that are in this community (now filled in). I know there is one by my house

1880 Map  showing stream

1880 Map showing stream

There was supposedly, and I have seen it on an old topographical map, of yet another stream apparently running out of the ground by the now tennis courts on North Lakeview Park and down to the lake. It would make sense to build near a water source as taking the trek to the lake before any wells were dug would have been difficult, having a flowing stream or brook nearby would have been a bonus and also likely place to build.

Of course, this family were not unused to hardships , apart from the traveling across the Atlantic in appalling conditions, they had, by my research, cleared , farmed and prospered in the wilderness for 90 ninety years Gr. Grandfather, Grandfather, Father and son alike . They had various talents, they would know about the weaving and manufacturing of cloth ( the fulling mill Londonderry) – the family were heavily involved in fishing back in Ireland ( as was most of the community who ended up in Nutfieled) and what was needed to eke out a community and be self sufficient. William, a wheelright, also a surveyor, they were farmers, had family experience with not only starting a community from nothing but wilderness and could survey land and roadway and it seems not unused to “starting a community” within the laws of this fledgling nation /.

And they did so here in Lorain.

It is written that Edmund ( the elder) father of Quartus( b-1790) was said to be about 6 foot tall . stocky build high prominent cheekbones. deep set eyes, thick head of hair large mouth , high upper lip – No beard on the upper lip but a beard on the lower jaw . He apparently passed his days here in what is now Lorain in cultivation of his land and is recorded in 1844 as owning land both in Amherst and Black River . Edmund died in 1846 but he lived to see this settlement become a town plat in 1834

artwork Chris Ritchey

artwork Chris Ritchey

To Be Continued ……….

September 17, 2014 at 1:17 pm 1 comment

General(ly) Gillmore – Lorain the early years- Pt. 3

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA

Part One http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/general-quincy-a-gillmore-the-dining-room-dilemna/

Part Two http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/general-ly-gillmore-lorain-the-early-years/

As I research further and further with old maps etc. I realized just how much the Gillmores owned in this settlement – 1,000 acres was huge . The family cleared land whilst keeping a wary eye out for the Indians and the British. They cut their paths through from their “homesteads, cabins, dwellings” through the forests to trade at a trading post on the other side of the river or to the little community growing up next to the port.
monument-by-river

http://danielebrady.blogspot.com/2012/08/that-lorain-monument-by-river.html

How terribly hard this must have been even on good weather days. I cannot begin to imagine how hard the life was for those that came after the Revolutionary War leaving what amounted to the “civilized society of those times” to eke out a whole new beginning but this family was no stranger to new beginnings. .
According to the “Gillmore Genealogy” written by
Mr. Claude Charles Hamel Amherst Ohio- revised 1954)

The Gillmores (Gilmore) descended from Robert and Mary Ann (Kennedy) Gilmore who came to America August 4th 1718 as part of the Scotch- Irish contingency ( Presbyterians ).

The Scotch-Irish were Presbyterians. They had splintered away from the official English church. In 1688 the ascension of William to the English throne brought relative peace to Ireland. The Scotch-Irish were allowed to practice their religion, but were required to pay the church of England 10% of everything they produced. The land they lived on and worked was only leased to them by the crown – they could be evicted at any time.

https://mikenh.wordpress.com/tag/ulster-scots/

They arrived on the Brigantine ROBERT to the port of Boston- there was an outbreak of smallpox on board and they may have wintered in Boston. http://www.lynx2ulster.com/ScotchIrishPioneers/008.php . They ( the Scotch- Irish) petitioned the New World

Boyd

Source http://www.1718migration.org.uk/siteFiles/resources/pdf/petition.pdf

In the Spring of 1718, a body of Scotch-Irish from Northern Ireland sent a petition, signed by 319 representative men on 26 March 1718(1), to Governor Shute of Massachusetts Bay in the New World requesting land for settlement.

http://wjmontgomeryfamilytree.homestead.com/IrishImmigrationWilliamandMary.html

“We whose names are underwritten, Inhabitants of ye North of Ireland, Doe in our own names, and in the names of many others, our Neighbors, Gentlemen, Ministers, Farmers, and Tradesmen, Commissionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend, the Reverend Mr. William Boyd, of Macasky, to His Excellency, the Right Honorable Collonel Samuel Suitte, Governour of New England, and to assure His Excellency of our sincere and hearty Inclination to Transport ourselves to that very excellant and renowned Plantation upon our obtaining from His Excellency suitable incouragement. And further to act and Doe in our Names as his prudence shall direct. Given under our hands this 26th day of March, Anno Dom. 1718.”

sign nutfiled
SOURCE: https://mikenh.wordpress.com/tag/ulster-scots/
Robert arrived in Nutfield ( now Londonderry New Hampshire) – at an early date the eastern half of David Cargill deeded a lot of 70 acres to Robert Gillmore for the site of a fulling mill

Fulling Mill ( cloth)

Fulling Mill ( cloth)

This lot was north of his son’s Williams lot in the same range and near Beaver Pond. His son was one of the original proprietors of Londonderry NH with two shares

Robert had a son William born around 1686 in Ulster Ireland – 1753 Londonderry NH. William in turn had a son

Ruggles Woodbridge

Ruggles Woodbridge


James Gillmore, born in 1728 was the father of Edmund Gillmore Sept 28th 1765 the same Edmund who arrived in 1811/12 in to what is now known as Lorain .
James did serve in the Revolutionary War at the age of 49 he marched with Lieut. Col. Ruggles Woodbridge albeit for 6 days but obviously felt strongly enough to sign up and answer the call:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodbridge’s_Regiment_of_Militia

“They came to America, not as discoverers,
but as the pioneers of their race ; they defended the
frontiers against Indians, and their numbers in the
South so much augmented the forces in the Revolu-
tionary army that they may fairly be said to have
saved Washington from defeat.”

https://archive.org/stream/scotchirish00boltrich/scotchirish00boltrich_djvu.txt

Edmund, reached what is now known as Lorain, claimed his land and built a log cabin- after the home was ready he left his son Aretus, in charge and returned to Massachusetts for the rest of his family returning with them by ox team in June of 1812.

The first election for township officers was held in the home of Justice of the Peace John S Reid on April 17th 1817 Edmund was one of the two judges of the Election. Edmund was also elected one of the two Overseers of the Poor . Also the first school was opened in an unoccupied cabin belonging to Edmund Gillmore - Schools were then maintained by private subscription , as the state had no general education until 1825.

The third school : 4th Street
4th street school

During 1853, a two-story frame building was constructed on Fourth Street. This was the only schoolhouse within the limits of the town until 1870 when a four-room, two-story brick building was completed. The cost of this building, which later became a part of the high school, was fifteen thousand dollars. The building site had been purchased for an additional two thousand dollars.

They lived on this farm for the rest of their lives………………..

TO BE CONTINUED….

September 13, 2014 at 4:37 pm 5 comments

General (ly) Gillmore – Lorain – the early years

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA
General Quincy Adams Gillmore ( latter years)
Part One http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/general-quincy-a-gillmore-the-dining-room-dilemna/
A great deal has been written about General Adams Quincy Gillmore. He was the son of Quartus Gillmore and Elizabeth (Reid) Gillmore.

probable  photo  of Quartus and Elizabeth Reid Gillmore

probable photo of Quartus and Elizabeth Reid Gillmore

Edited photo of in all probability Quartus and Elizabeth Gillmore courtesy of Matt Weisman

I say ” in probability” because, like most of Lorain’s early history, I have to rely on “calculated guesswork”, word of mouth family history and snippets of information gleaned from biographies and events that may or may not be 100 percent correct. . In fact ,frustratingly enough for me, to do research on the internet the searches bring me back to this blog, for the most part.

When my neighbor , Peggy Gillmore,
http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/history-mystery-lives-of-lorain-gillmore/ would call to talk she would rattle off the names of her family as if they walked the streets of this neighborhood today . And actually they do walk among us still – our beautiful Lakeview Park the land first cleared in 1811/1812 by the very man pictured above with his wife. Quartus arrived here with his father Edmund Gillmore 1811

quarthis
Source : History of the state during the war, and the lives of her generals
By Whitelaw Reid

As I read the above, I remembered a very old photograph that came with the box of items from Peggy’s. I hadn’t thought much about it at the time as we all went through the assorted items on that April evening. As everyone assembled took items with them to peruse and research the things they found most interesting , I was left with some of the odds and ends. The photograph was one of the odds and ends.

Could this be a later photograph of the ancestral farm mentioned as being 200 acres ( Edmund Gillmore) traded away in order to obtain the 1,000 acres he acquired?

edited photograph of possible Gillmore Farm Massachuset

edited photograph of possible Gillmore Farm Massachuset

The back of the photograph mentions ancestral home Mass

Bearing in mind Lakeview Park today ( Metro Parks)

http://www.metroparks.cc/lakeview_park.php

as we know it today is http://danielebrady.blogspot.com/2014/05/monument-to-mayor-leonard-moore.html just 20 acres and it wasn’t until discussion in 1916-17 led to the purchase of roughly 40 acres

Lake View Park  Mark Teleha

Lake View Park Mark Teleha


Source : http://www.locophotogblog.com/?p=311

The first was to purchase the 19 acres along the lake for $42,500. The second included the land offered in the first proposal and 21.9 acres on the south side of West Erie Avenue for $52,900. Finally, Chamberlain offered all of the 119 acres along West Erie Ave. for $100,000, which Mayor Moore believed would be a “good buy” if the city could get the same price for portions of the property that they would not be able to use. After much discussion and some concern that the property was too far out-of-town for citizens to enjoy, councilmen decided to purchase 19 acres north of West Erie Ave and 21.9 acres south of West Erie Ave for $53,551.38.

Chamberlin Estates the owner of the property offered all 119 acres along West Erie for 100,000- Imagine if you will Edmund Gillmore of 1812 owning 1,000 acres and what that entailed in that original plat of Black River ( Settlement)
and then there was at the other end of the town what is now referred to as Veterans’ Park ( although I can find no official documentation as to the name change ) past 1966 ( Lorain Memorial Park) Veterans” Park History ( 7 parts linked) found here

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/veterans-memorial-park-thanks-for-the-memories/

In amongst Peggy’s snippets of information was a cutting circa 1925 calling for information on that self-same park- the original public square .
Gillmore Donation

fast forward to the internet and 1998 and a forum conversation between Diane Wargo Medina ( Charleston Pioneer Cemetery ) and another descendent of the Gillmores- Kathryn Whitaker at that time Ms Whitaker wrote

Here is some information from my great grandmother’s book:
Sophia Gillmore married Daniel Seth Leslie February 8, 1849 at Black River,
Ohio. She was born in Ohio as her mother, Elizabeth Reid (Reed) came with
her father, John Reid to the mouth of Black River, Black River Township, in
1811. They were among the first settlers. Elizabeth married Quartus
Gillmore. The Reeds and Gillmores owned most of Lorain, it has been said.
In fact, the Gillmores and Leslies owned considerable property in Amherst,
Avon Park, Elyria and Lorain. The Eddys and Conleys, relatives of the
Gillmores, had their homeland also in Lorain County. Sophia Gillmore
Leslie deeded Washington Park in downtown Lorain, to the city.

Sophia was the sister of our General Quincy Adams Gillmore
diane marker
And so it goes history in snippets and bits and pieces. I am hesitant to “guess” and conclude- after all this is not my history and I know from Charleston Village Society Board member and historic researcher extraordinaire Diane Wargo Medina - not everything that is always written is correct . So please if in this series there are wrong conclusions or information please feel free to inform me of any corrections! Obviously if you have further information please contact me

To be continued

Thanks to Dan Brady , Jim Smith , Matt Weisman

September 8, 2014 at 6:14 pm 6 comments

General Quincy A Gillmore- the Dining Room Dilemma

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA

General Quincy Adams Gillmore , hero of the Civil War,

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/biographies/quincy-gillmore.html

came into my life and my dining room, totally unexpected. He arrived, carried by a descendent, to my front door a few weeks ago. The good General had been offered to the Lorain Historical Society http://lorainhistory.org/ by family members but the historical society declined him and so he is with me.

With him came some other artifacts including a 1914 framed photograph of the graduating class of Lorain High School. Lorain City School Board member Jim Smith collected the photograph and it now proudly hangs at Charleston Center along with a similarly framed photo of the class of 1913. Ironically the photo returned home to Lorain City Schools exactly 100 years after it was first taken.

There was also a roll of some panoramic shots of what looked to be railroad tracks. I was scared to unroll it and gave it to Dennis Lamont who told me it was of the tracks etc for the Terminal Tower Cleveland, another good home and those that appreciate the memorabilia as much as Peggy herself.

Peggy

Since the last living direct descendent of one the founding fathers families the Gillmore’s in Lorain,

Pioneer Edmund Gillmorees
Source: A Standard History of Lorain County, Ohio: An Authentic Narrative …, Volume 2

my neighbor Peggy, passed earlier this year , I have acquired some of the “history” of the Gillmores and this old neighborhood as Peggy had kept them in her lovely home.
403 Oberlin

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/history-mystery-lives-of-lorain-gillmore/

Peggy, was so proud of her heritage and what the Gillmore family had managed to contribute, not only to Lorain’s founding history, but to the nation as a whole.

I had promised Peggy I would do what I could to archive her family on the world wide web. I am not sure she understood what that meant exactly but I started with a couple of posts on the the old WoM Blog http://thbarchive.wordpress.com/. Unfortunately the WoM disappeared from the www and therefore with it those posts. However, I did find my files for at least one of those series on the Gillmores and Lakeview Park. The cabin/ farmhouse of the Gillmores stood once where the famous easter basket/ floral basket now sits
FLORAL-BASKET

http://danielebrady.blogspot.com/2010/04/lakeview-park-easter-basket-or-floral.html

PART ONE:
Where History Walks

PART TWO
Where History Walk1

I have looked upon the face of the “older” General for these past weeks pondering his story. I cleaned the beautiful 22″ by 25″ carved wooden frame, gently polished the studding, which is probably pewter or white metal. I have not seen any image on the web that shows the General as he aged. There is some foxing and bleed through from the wooden backing on the paper ( which needs some restoration). Whilst dusting, I noticed, the back part of the original backing remains some writing. I would say the photographic portrait is at least 125 years old. I would probably have to take the back off to see if there is other information but I am not willing to do that – just in case something happens.


…of General Quincy A Gil…. was presented to Perry Chapter DAR …..


and below what is left of the damaged backing a small white square upon which is written –


This picture is the property of Nathan Perry Chapter D.A.R , Lorain presented by Quincy A Gillmore – Elyria O

Digital Camera

This sent me off on a bit of a history mystery hunt.

Obviously, this presented piece given at one time to the Daughters of the American Revolution ( Nathan Perry Chapter) to which Peggy had belonged, founded in 1918 could not have been presented by the pictured General Quincy Adams Gillmore himself . It made no sense as he had died in 1888.

The glass in the portrait is “wavy” something that occurred prior to 1900. I believed the portrait may have belonged to the General’s family – his son was another General Quincy O Maher Gillmore- 1850-1923 but he had the wrong middle initial to be the donor.

General Quincy  O'Maher Gillmore

General Quincy O’Maher Gillmore

Therefore, since the note says presented by Quincy A Gillmore I drew the conclusion this was probably presented by the grandson of the Civil War General and himself another General Quincy A Gillmore1881-1956.

Quincy  A Gillmore  grandson of General Quincy  A Gillmore ( Civil War)

Quincy A Gillmore grandson of General Quincy A Gillmore ( Civil War)

BUT that “ELYRIA” connection worried me so I carried on looking, where I could, on-line. Low an behold, there is “another Quincy A Gillmore” He was the son of Civil War General Quincy Adams Gillmore’s brother Edmund (named after his grandfather one of the founders of this settlement ( owning approximately 1,000 acres). This Edmund married Miss Adelaide E Gillmore daughter of Alanson(also a son of the original Edmund of Lakeview) and Evelyn ( Jones) Gillmore.

Alanson Gillmore

Alanson Gillmore


1805-1895
Adelaide was also the sister of Fanny (Gillmore) Wilford-
fanny gilmore  wilford

wife of Captain Wilford

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/capt-wilford-a-hero-of-the-inland-seas/

and the lady of the civil war letters.

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/civil-war-letters-fannie-gilmore-lorain/

Edmund and Adelaide’s only child was Quincy “ALANSON” Gillmore , who ended up a prominent attorney in Elyria (Page 728- The History of Lorain County) so I am thinking the presenter of the portrait could be the nephew!

Attorney Quincy  Alanson Gillmore of Elyria

Attorney Quincy Alanson Gillmore of Elyria


1850-1923

I won’t ever know why or how the portrait ended up back with Peggy and her home but it obviously had for these many, many years. The General staring at me these many days started me back on a road I promised Peggy I would travel. As far as the portrait , it certainly doesn’t belong with me , I believe HE needs a permanent home where he will be appreciated, just where that is at the moment is up in the air- suggestions?????

to be continued ……………..

Note : Thanks to Dan Brady http://danielebrady.blogspot.com/ for his help with the Gillmores

September 5, 2014 at 11:59 am 10 comments

Older Posts


Categories

Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email.

Join 143 other followers

October 2014
M T W T F S S
« Sep    
 12345
6789101112
13141516171819
20212223242526
2728293031  

Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 143 other followers