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General(ly) Gillmore- Lorain- Part 4

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Part One http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/general-quincy-a-gillmore-the-dining-room-dilemna/

Part Twohttp://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/general-ly-gillmore-lorain-the-early-years/

Part Three
http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/generally-gillmore-lorain-the-early-years-pt-3/

Bann Valley
The Gillmores came over the ocean 1718 ( see part three )as part of the Scotch- Irish migration in 1718 NOTE: this should not be confused with the potato famine migration. The founder of our own Lorain Gilmores, ROBERT(b- 1670), was from Coleraine, Londonderry County , Ulster, Ireland the history of these Scotch- Irish is fascinating and can be found on line here

https://archive.org/details/scotchirish00boltrich

Scotch Irish Pioneers in Ulster and America by Charles Knowles Bolton 1910
coleraine

An ocean voyage was not to be taken lightly in those times it was a horrendous undertaking- also having to prove you would not be a burden on the community in this case BOSTON – You had to be self supporting back in 1718.
BostonShips1620

http://www.doak.ws/the_voyage_to_america.htm

“When the migrations from Ireland started in 1714, vessels of all kinds were pressed into service for carrying passengers. Often times, 300 people were packed into a ship and assigned tiny cots lined up side by side to make maximum use of space. Extra floors were often installed so that more cots and hammocks could be setup to handle more people. The head room that resulted was barely enough to allow one to creep in a stooped position to an assigned cot. Men, women and children were all crammed together. Exercise room was very limited. Food was eaten “in place” with no dining rooms available. Food after the first week was moldy and sour. Water became foul and undrinkable. Disease was all too often present with disastrous results. Death at sea was a common occurrence – as was child-birth.

People dying at sea where just thrown overboard because there was no way to preserve bodies long enough to reach shore. One considering a sea journey had to look beyond just the comfort aspects of the trip – there was a very real chance that one would not arrive at all. Storms were an all too often occurrence as there was no way to predict the weather. Ships were often blown off course to arrive weeks late and to be forced into ports far from their original destination. Pirates were very common, operating without hindrance off the American coast during the first half of the 1700’s.”

The Gilmores( Gillmores) ended up in Nutfield / Londonderry, New Hampshire http://www.londonderryhistory.org/townhist and acquired land – Robert some 70 acres and his son William (b 1686) apparently two shares- and a 50 acre farm, he was also appointed as one of the surveyors of highways- he had by 1753 amassed a princely worth of 2,299.10 LSD (pounds) about 200,000 dollars in today’s money.

James Gilmore(b-1728) ( son of William) left New Hampshire in about 1768 and ended up in Massachusetts, There is some confusion as to place names and where was what due to annexation and name changes . However it seems James’son Edmund (b-1763) exchanged the farm of 200 acres for the 1000 acres in what is now Lorain, Ohio .

the land

As I drove to my daughter’s the other day, entering West Erie Avenue from Washington Ave and Veterans Park , past the homes, along the shore, past Lakeview Park, past the Elyria Water Plant, I thought of Peggy’s family, Edmund and his son Quartus Gillmore, who had “owned all of this land “ just 200 years ago. How they had built that first cabin in what would have been totally virgin forest.

Imagine the darkness, no light coming from any sort of street lamps, no road just a cart track, huge trees – their leaves blocking the only light- that of the moon. Night time would find them in total darkness, an inky blackness with only the crashing waves on the shore for company. Their meager light from the fire candles and oil lanterns . In summer the stifling heat that can come with humidity draining the life from one. They must have blessed the breeze from Lake Erie as they toiled in summer heat. The women having to keep the cook fires alight in such a climate.

As the autumn nights closed in and winter winds howled, no snow plows, struggling through Ohio snows to feed the stock, bring in feed and water.
clearing land
Quartus (b 1790), Edmund’s son – 22 years old or so taking what implements they had carried with them to “clear the land and build a cabin” where the Easter Basket now stands. You have to wonder why that particular spot to build their first cabin. My thinking is it was probably in the middle of the tract of land they owned the 1,000 acres hugging the lake shore from what is now Washington Ave to nearly the underpass ( according to Peggy).

They built close to the lake and beach but protected from the lake’s wrath and waves by the drop off to the lake and beach. The lake and harbor was and still is a means of transportation so it made sense, to me at least. And, there is that old story ( every time there is flooding in Lorain) as to the streams and small rivers that are in this community (now filled in). I know there is one by my house

1880 Map  showing stream

1880 Map showing stream

There was supposedly, and I have seen it on an old topographical map, of yet another stream apparently running out of the ground by the now tennis courts on North Lakeview Park and down to the lake. It would make sense to build near a water source as taking the trek to the lake before any wells were dug would have been difficult, having a flowing stream or brook nearby would have been a bonus and also likely place to build.

Of course, this family were not unused to hardships , apart from the traveling across the Atlantic in appalling conditions, they had, by my research, cleared , farmed and prospered in the wilderness for 90 ninety years Gr. Grandfather, Grandfather, Father and son alike . They had various talents, they would know about the weaving and manufacturing of cloth ( the fulling mill Londonderry) – the family were heavily involved in fishing back in Ireland ( as was most of the community who ended up in Nutfieled) and what was needed to eke out a community and be self sufficient. William, a wheelright, also a surveyor, they were farmers, had family experience with not only starting a community from nothing but wilderness and could survey land and roadway and it seems not unused to “starting a community” within the laws of this fledgling nation /.

And they did so here in Lorain.

It is written that Edmund ( the elder) father of Quartus( b-1790) was said to be about 6 foot tall . stocky build high prominent cheekbones. deep set eyes, thick head of hair large mouth , high upper lip – No beard on the upper lip but a beard on the lower jaw . He apparently passed his days here in what is now Lorain in cultivation of his land and is recorded in 1844 as owning land both in Amherst and Black River . Edmund died in 1846 but he lived to see this settlement become a town plat in 1834

artwork Chris Ritchey

artwork Chris Ritchey

To Be Continued ……….

September 17, 2014 at 1:17 pm Leave a comment

General(ly) Gillmore – Lorain the early years- Pt. 3

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Part One http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/general-quincy-a-gillmore-the-dining-room-dilemna/

Part Two http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/general-ly-gillmore-lorain-the-early-years/

As I research further and further with old maps etc. I realized just how much the Gillmores owned in this settlement – 1,000 acres was huge . The family cleared land whilst keeping a wary eye out for the Indians and the British. They cut their paths through from their “homesteads, cabins, dwellings” through the forests to trade at a trading post on the other side of the river or to the little community growing up next to the port.
monument-by-river

http://danielebrady.blogspot.com/2012/08/that-lorain-monument-by-river.html

How terribly hard this must have been even on good weather days. I cannot begin to imagine how hard the life was for those that came after the Revolutionary War leaving what amounted to the “civilized society of those times” to eke out a whole new beginning but this family was no stranger to new beginnings. .
According to the “Gillmore Genealogy” written by
Mr. Claude Charles Hamel Amherst Ohio- revised 1954)

The Gillmores (Gilmore) descended from Robert and Mary Ann (Kennedy) Gilmore who came to America August 4th 1718 as part of the Scotch- Irish contingency ( Presbyterians ).

The Scotch-Irish were Presbyterians. They had splintered away from the official English church. In 1688 the ascension of William to the English throne brought relative peace to Ireland. The Scotch-Irish were allowed to practice their religion, but were required to pay the church of England 10% of everything they produced. The land they lived on and worked was only leased to them by the crown – they could be evicted at any time.

https://mikenh.wordpress.com/tag/ulster-scots/

They arrived on the Brigantine ROBERT to the port of Boston- there was an outbreak of smallpox on board and they may have wintered in Boston. http://www.lynx2ulster.com/ScotchIrishPioneers/008.php . They ( the Scotch- Irish) petitioned the New World

Boyd

Source http://www.1718migration.org.uk/siteFiles/resources/pdf/petition.pdf

In the Spring of 1718, a body of Scotch-Irish from Northern Ireland sent a petition, signed by 319 representative men on 26 March 1718(1), to Governor Shute of Massachusetts Bay in the New World requesting land for settlement.

http://wjmontgomeryfamilytree.homestead.com/IrishImmigrationWilliamandMary.html

“We whose names are underwritten, Inhabitants of ye North of Ireland, Doe in our own names, and in the names of many others, our Neighbors, Gentlemen, Ministers, Farmers, and Tradesmen, Commissionate and appoint our trusty and well beloved friend, the Reverend Mr. William Boyd, of Macasky, to His Excellency, the Right Honorable Collonel Samuel Suitte, Governour of New England, and to assure His Excellency of our sincere and hearty Inclination to Transport ourselves to that very excellant and renowned Plantation upon our obtaining from His Excellency suitable incouragement. And further to act and Doe in our Names as his prudence shall direct. Given under our hands this 26th day of March, Anno Dom. 1718.”

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SOURCE: https://mikenh.wordpress.com/tag/ulster-scots/
Robert arrived in Nutfield ( now Londonderry New Hampshire) – at an early date the eastern half of David Cargill deeded a lot of 70 acres to Robert Gillmore for the site of a fulling mill

Fulling Mill ( cloth)

Fulling Mill ( cloth)

This lot was north of his son’s Williams lot in the same range and near Beaver Pond. His son was one of the original proprietors of Londonderry NH with two shares

Robert had a son William born around 1686 in Ulster Ireland – 1753 Londonderry NH. William in turn had a son

Ruggles Woodbridge

Ruggles Woodbridge


James Gillmore, born in 1728 was the father of Edmund Gillmore Sept 28th 1765 the same Edmund who arrived in 1811/12 in to what is now known as Lorain .
James did serve in the Revolutionary War at the age of 49 he marched with Lieut. Col. Ruggles Woodbridge albeit for 6 days but obviously felt strongly enough to sign up and answer the call:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodbridge’s_Regiment_of_Militia

“They came to America, not as discoverers,
but as the pioneers of their race ; they defended the
frontiers against Indians, and their numbers in the
South so much augmented the forces in the Revolu-
tionary army that they may fairly be said to have
saved Washington from defeat.”

https://archive.org/stream/scotchirish00boltrich/scotchirish00boltrich_djvu.txt

Edmund, reached what is now known as Lorain, claimed his land and built a log cabin- after the home was ready he left his son Aretus, in charge and returned to Massachusetts for the rest of his family returning with them by ox team in June of 1812.

The first election for township officers was held in the home of Justice of the Peace John S Reid on April 17th 1817 Edmund was one of the two judges of the Election. Edmund was also elected one of the two Overseers of the Poor . Also the first school was opened in an unoccupied cabin belonging to Edmund Gillmore - Schools were then maintained by private subscription , as the state had no general education until 1825.

The third school : 4th Street
4th street school

During 1853, a two-story frame building was constructed on Fourth Street. This was the only schoolhouse within the limits of the town until 1870 when a four-room, two-story brick building was completed. The cost of this building, which later became a part of the high school, was fifteen thousand dollars. The building site had been purchased for an additional two thousand dollars.

They lived on this farm for the rest of their lives………………..

TO BE CONTINUED….

September 13, 2014 at 4:37 pm 4 comments

General (ly) Gillmore – Lorain – the early years

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General Quincy Adams Gillmore ( latter years)
Part One http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/general-quincy-a-gillmore-the-dining-room-dilemna/
A great deal has been written about General Adams Quincy Gillmore. He was the son of Quartus Gillmore and Elizabeth (Reid) Gillmore.

probable  photo  of Quartus and Elizabeth Reid Gillmore

probable photo of Quartus and Elizabeth Reid Gillmore

Edited photo of in all probability Quartus and Elizabeth Gillmore courtesy of Matt Weisman

I say ” in probability” because, like most of Lorain’s early history, I have to rely on “calculated guesswork”, word of mouth family history and snippets of information gleaned from biographies and events that may or may not be 100 percent correct. . In fact ,frustratingly enough for me, to do research on the internet the searches bring me back to this blog, for the most part.

When my neighbor , Peggy Gillmore,
http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/history-mystery-lives-of-lorain-gillmore/ would call to talk she would rattle off the names of her family as if they walked the streets of this neighborhood today . And actually they do walk among us still – our beautiful Lakeview Park the land first cleared in 1811/1812 by the very man pictured above with his wife. Quartus arrived here with his father Edmund Gillmore 1811

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Source : History of the state during the war, and the lives of her generals
By Whitelaw Reid

As I read the above, I remembered a very old photograph that came with the box of items from Peggy’s. I hadn’t thought much about it at the time as we all went through the assorted items on that April evening. As everyone assembled took items with them to peruse and research the things they found most interesting , I was left with some of the odds and ends. The photograph was one of the odds and ends.

Could this be a later photograph of the ancestral farm mentioned as being 200 acres ( Edmund Gillmore) traded away in order to obtain the 1,000 acres he acquired?

edited photograph of possible Gillmore Farm Massachuset

edited photograph of possible Gillmore Farm Massachuset

The back of the photograph mentions ancestral home Mass

Bearing in mind Lakeview Park today ( Metro Parks)

http://www.metroparks.cc/lakeview_park.php

as we know it today is http://danielebrady.blogspot.com/2014/05/monument-to-mayor-leonard-moore.html just 20 acres and it wasn’t until discussion in 1916-17 led to the purchase of roughly 40 acres

Lake View Park  Mark Teleha

Lake View Park Mark Teleha


Source : http://www.locophotogblog.com/?p=311

The first was to purchase the 19 acres along the lake for $42,500. The second included the land offered in the first proposal and 21.9 acres on the south side of West Erie Avenue for $52,900. Finally, Chamberlain offered all of the 119 acres along West Erie Ave. for $100,000, which Mayor Moore believed would be a “good buy” if the city could get the same price for portions of the property that they would not be able to use. After much discussion and some concern that the property was too far out-of-town for citizens to enjoy, councilmen decided to purchase 19 acres north of West Erie Ave and 21.9 acres south of West Erie Ave for $53,551.38.

Chamberlin Estates the owner of the property offered all 119 acres along West Erie for 100,000- Imagine if you will Edmund Gillmore of 1812 owning 1,000 acres and what that entailed in that original plat of Black River ( Settlement)
and then there was at the other end of the town what is now referred to as Veterans’ Park ( although I can find no official documentation as to the name change ) past 1966 ( Lorain Memorial Park) Veterans” Park History ( 7 parts linked) found here

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/veterans-memorial-park-thanks-for-the-memories/

In amongst Peggy’s snippets of information was a cutting circa 1925 calling for information on that self-same park- the original public square .
Gillmore Donation

fast forward to the internet and 1998 and a forum conversation between Diane Wargo Medina ( Charleston Pioneer Cemetery ) and another descendent of the Gillmores- Kathryn Whitaker at that time Ms Whitaker wrote

Here is some information from my great grandmother’s book:
Sophia Gillmore married Daniel Seth Leslie February 8, 1849 at Black River,
Ohio. She was born in Ohio as her mother, Elizabeth Reid (Reed) came with
her father, John Reid to the mouth of Black River, Black River Township, in
1811. They were among the first settlers. Elizabeth married Quartus
Gillmore. The Reeds and Gillmores owned most of Lorain, it has been said.
In fact, the Gillmores and Leslies owned considerable property in Amherst,
Avon Park, Elyria and Lorain. The Eddys and Conleys, relatives of the
Gillmores, had their homeland also in Lorain County. Sophia Gillmore
Leslie deeded Washington Park in downtown Lorain, to the city.

Sophia was the sister of our General Quincy Adams Gillmore
diane marker
And so it goes history in snippets and bits and pieces. I am hesitant to “guess” and conclude- after all this is not my history and I know from Charleston Village Society Board member and historic researcher extraordinaire Diane Wargo Medina - not everything that is always written is correct . So please if in this series there are wrong conclusions or information please feel free to inform me of any corrections! Obviously if you have further information please contact me

To be continued

Thanks to Dan Brady , Jim Smith , Matt Weisman

September 8, 2014 at 6:14 pm 5 comments

General Quincy A Gillmore- the Dining Room Dilemma

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General Quincy Adams Gillmore , hero of the Civil War,

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/biographies/quincy-gillmore.html

came into my life and my dining room, totally unexpected. He arrived, carried by a descendent, to my front door a few weeks ago. The good General had been offered to the Lorain Historical Society http://lorainhistory.org/ by family members but the historical society declined him and so he is with me.

With him came some other artifacts including a 1914 framed photograph of the graduating class of Lorain High School. Lorain City School Board member Jim Smith collected the photograph and it now proudly hangs at Charleston Center along with a similarly framed photo of the class of 1913. Ironically the photo returned home to Lorain City Schools exactly 100 years after it was first taken.

There was also a roll of some panoramic shots of what looked to be railroad tracks. I was scared to unroll it and gave it to Dennis Lamont who told me it was of the tracks etc for the Terminal Tower Cleveland, another good home and those that appreciate the memorabilia as much as Peggy herself.

Peggy

Since the last living direct descendent of one the founding fathers families the Gillmore’s in Lorain,

Pioneer Edmund Gillmorees
Source: A Standard History of Lorain County, Ohio: An Authentic Narrative …, Volume 2

my neighbor Peggy, passed earlier this year , I have acquired some of the “history” of the Gillmores and this old neighborhood as Peggy had kept them in her lovely home.
403 Oberlin

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/history-mystery-lives-of-lorain-gillmore/

Peggy, was so proud of her heritage and what the Gillmore family had managed to contribute, not only to Lorain’s founding history, but to the nation as a whole.

I had promised Peggy I would do what I could to archive her family on the world wide web. I am not sure she understood what that meant exactly but I started with a couple of posts on the the old WoM Blog http://thbarchive.wordpress.com/. Unfortunately the WoM disappeared from the www and therefore with it those posts. However, I did find my files for at least one of those series on the Gillmores and Lakeview Park. The cabin/ farmhouse of the Gillmores stood once where the famous easter basket/ floral basket now sits
FLORAL-BASKET

http://danielebrady.blogspot.com/2010/04/lakeview-park-easter-basket-or-floral.html

PART ONE:
Where History Walks

PART TWO
Where History Walk1

I have looked upon the face of the “older” General for these past weeks pondering his story. I cleaned the beautiful 22″ by 25″ carved wooden frame, gently polished the studding, which is probably pewter or white metal. I have not seen any image on the web that shows the General as he aged. There is some foxing and bleed through from the wooden backing on the paper ( which needs some restoration). Whilst dusting, I noticed, the back part of the original backing remains some writing. I would say the photographic portrait is at least 125 years old. I would probably have to take the back off to see if there is other information but I am not willing to do that – just in case something happens.


…of General Quincy A Gil…. was presented to Perry Chapter DAR …..


and below what is left of the damaged backing a small white square upon which is written –


This picture is the property of Nathan Perry Chapter D.A.R , Lorain presented by Quincy A Gillmore – Elyria O

Digital Camera

This sent me off on a bit of a history mystery hunt.

Obviously, this presented piece given at one time to the Daughters of the American Revolution ( Nathan Perry Chapter) to which Peggy had belonged, founded in 1918 could not have been presented by the pictured General Quincy Adams Gillmore himself . It made no sense as he had died in 1888.

The glass in the portrait is “wavy” something that occurred prior to 1900. I believed the portrait may have belonged to the General’s family – his son was another General Quincy O Maher Gillmore- 1850-1923 but he had the wrong middle initial to be the donor.

General Quincy  O'Maher Gillmore

General Quincy O’Maher Gillmore

Therefore, since the note says presented by Quincy A Gillmore I drew the conclusion this was probably presented by the grandson of the Civil War General and himself another General Quincy A Gillmore1881-1956.

Quincy  A Gillmore  grandson of General Quincy  A Gillmore ( Civil War)

Quincy A Gillmore grandson of General Quincy A Gillmore ( Civil War)

BUT that “ELYRIA” connection worried me so I carried on looking, where I could, on-line. Low an behold, there is “another Quincy A Gillmore” He was the son of Civil War General Quincy Adams Gillmore’s brother Edmund (named after his grandfather one of the founders of this settlement ( owning approximately 1,000 acres). This Edmund married Miss Adelaide E Gillmore daughter of Alanson(also a son of the original Edmund of Lakeview) and Evelyn ( Jones) Gillmore.

Alanson Gillmore

Alanson Gillmore


1805-1895
Adelaide was also the sister of Fanny (Gillmore) Wilford-
fanny gilmore  wilford

wife of Captain Wilford

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/capt-wilford-a-hero-of-the-inland-seas/

and the lady of the civil war letters.

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/civil-war-letters-fannie-gilmore-lorain/

Edmund and Adelaide’s only child was Quincy “ALANSON” Gillmore , who ended up a prominent attorney in Elyria (Page 728- The History of Lorain County) so I am thinking the presenter of the portrait could be the nephew!

Attorney Quincy  Alanson Gillmore of Elyria

Attorney Quincy Alanson Gillmore of Elyria


1850-1923

I won’t ever know why or how the portrait ended up back with Peggy and her home but it obviously had for these many, many years. The General staring at me these many days started me back on a road I promised Peggy I would travel. As far as the portrait , it certainly doesn’t belong with me , I believe HE needs a permanent home where he will be appreciated, just where that is at the moment is up in the air- suggestions?????

to be continued ……………..

Note : Thanks to Dan Brady http://danielebrady.blogspot.com/ for his help with the Gillmores

September 5, 2014 at 11:59 am 9 comments

Elyria Court House debacle- the Final Judgement

sklightPart One – The Background

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/the-elyria-court-house-debacle-tax-pay-ers/

Part Two – A History

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/the-elyria-court-house-debacle-tax-pay-ers-pt2/

Part Three- The Rhetoric of Right

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/the-elyria-court-house-debacle-tax-pay-ers-pt3/

As I entered the building, following Karen Davis-County Facilities Director, my thoughts turned quickly from my trepidation at entering the bowels of a supposed “pit” – a smelly, dank and dire place with mould and slime dripping on heads, rat droppings and certain risks to my health – to dismay as I saw what had happened to this once grand old lady.

The vivid pictures in my mind of decay, as described by Tim Lubbe and the darling of the media attorney, Chandra, as they had sent photographers willy – nilly around the building showing the disgraceful conditions.

You can view photographs of the “troubled areas” in this article in the Chronicle Telegram

Commissioner says old Lorain County Courthouse not so terrible Filed on June 26, 2014 by Brad Dicken

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/06/26/kokoski%e2%80%88old-county-courthouse-terrible/

You see the Adult Probation Department want to move from the court-house to a nice clean floor in another building . They were using the photos as evidence for their argument to vacate.
Lubberes

Lubbe said workers deserve to work in a healthy and secure workplace. Lubbe said if commissioners insist they stay at the courthouse, the court will comply, but it will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to make repairs.

He said problems include water and raw sewage leaking from the third floor into second-floor rooms where employees work. Lubbe said the lobby accommodates about a dozen people, but 100 come through on a regular basis, making it unsafe

I asked Ms. Davis to take me through all the areas complained about, photographed and written about in “legal ease letters from Chandra ( after all I, the taxpayer was paying for these epistles). To her credit, Ms. Davis made no comment as we toured the building from top to bottom.

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YES! it is disgraceful but not because of unseen rat droppings, or mould and slime dripping on heads. What was disgraceful is the fact a once beautiful, ornate and powerful building has essentially been assaulted. I was greeted by a rabbit warren of cut up offices, walls thrown up to make cubby hole offices- with no regard to atheistic or the buildings mechanics let alone historical significance
Jim-Cordes

ED NOTE-LORAIN COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR JIM CORDES STATED:
The only significant renovation after the seventies was the installation of a court in the basement when a new judgeship was ordered in Lorain county. The rest, as you view it now was worked in and around everything that happened prior. And none of us were here for the court installation in the lower level
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Doorways blocked in and cut down from their wonderful imposing heights to fit in the new standard door heights. A glimpse now and then of what had been special
bannistercollage

The building is just chopped up to the point where we can’t do good work here,” Cwalina said. “We just can’t.”

Long , once elegant hallways, now cut up into cubicles, archways blocked in , walled up to make another “office space” , floors covered in the industrial carpeting ,
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walls covered in textured wallpaper- all adding to the “sponge effect” of grabbing odours and bacteria , holding fast. That, coupled with the trapped air, air only recirculated in summer with air-conditioning and winter with heat. No gentle breezes wafted through open windows.

As I walked though one area, there was a definite odor. This area was one of the area where everything had been closed off and not one bit of “fresh air” circulated. The odour wasn’t gas or mould but BODY ODOUR of the many who passed through the area . The building has BO! It needs an airing!

The feeling of sickness in my stomach came not from the smell of gas but the odoriferous lack of design, care and disgraceful treatment of this once proud house of justice by those that “improved” . The people of design in past decades , the decorators who painted over her body had prostituted her for their own ends. They had ripped from her innards any worthiness and covered over the beautiful wood work with purple based brown paint.

Did anyone speak for the victim as she was sliced and diced? Did not one person in all those decades of abuse ever say NO? Was there one among those who said “this is wrong- we are destroying our own historical worth- we the gatekeepers of law and government- did no one advocate as they lowered her ceiling covering up the artisans craft of centuries?

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Ah and NOW they complain she isn’t good enough for a third world country . Those who have painted over her remaining doors, painted her walls so the bricks can no longer breathe, trapping in her 10 inch walls the very moisture they now complain about. They have laid rubber and plastic on floors that used to breathe and glow with the fragrance of beeswax. Every so often peeking out from the “mediocre modernization” a glimpse of what used to be .
before

The room where the gym resides – where men and presumably women work up a sweat , as they workout on gym mats ( always such a pleasant smell – gym floor mats), punch the bag and lift the weights. No longer do breezes, carried by the outside trees, enter the room to erase the stink of man.

A room full of old clothes, presumably handed out to those clients in need , clients of the Probation Dept. One has to ask could not those items be dispensed through another agency as the stench of old shoes mingled with the musty odor of the rest of the contents? It certainly added to the odors.
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As we walked out into the corridor once more, another entranceway was bricked up- on the other side was a huge panel and a storage room which maintained the original integrity of the brickwork and wooden floor and surprise – here at least there was no smell of “progress” some dust but no decay and bacteria assaulted the nostrils

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Did those who came after the architect and builders in 1881 have no inkling as to why buildings were designed and built they way they were? There was a purpose and a method in their madness as they built their buildings to last and make a statement .The high ceilings allowed for heat to escape upwards in the summer – those have been lowered and covered over with acoustic tile now trapping the air , heat and germs.

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The thick walls retained heat in winter and stopped summer heat. The walls breathed – no longer- they are covered and suffocating under paper and layers of paint. The improvements of the decades are “killing” the building slowly.

Hardwood floors, for the winter warmth and cooling tiles in areas where water could splash and coolness were needed. Doorways and windows designed and placed strategically to bring in cross breezes to air out the building. All these have been bastardized shrunk down and closed permanently.

http://www.nps.gov/tps/how-to-preserve/briefs/3-improve-energy-efficiency.htm

Buildings are more than the sum of their individual components. The design, materials, type of construction, size, shape, site orientation, surrounding landscape, and climate all play a role in how buildings perform. Historic building construction methods and materials often maximized natural sources of heat, light and ventilation to respond to local climatic conditions
Operable windows, interior courtyards, clerestories, skylights, rooftop ventilators, cupolas, and other features that provide natural ventilation and light can reduce energy consumption

Walls

Thick masonry walls typical of the late-nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries have inherent thermal characteristics that keep the buildings cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter. Walls with substantial mass have the advantage of high thermal inertia, which reduces the rate of heat transfer through the wall. For instance, a wall with high thermal inertia, subjected to solar radiation for an hour, will absorb the heat at its outside surface, but slowly transfer it to the interior over a period as long as six hours

We finally came to the famous “feces toilet”- the doorway padlocked the toilets wrapped in plastic.

ED NOTE you can see photos of Tim Lubbe’s complaints here https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ea02qpuxqp24jme/AABBAOKr08J5Z-ktbPxcySpna

Obviously, since those pictures were taken “clean up” and repairs have been accomplished. Dampness and or leaks will cause the intricate plaster work on these lovely old buildings to deteriorate and decay. That is a problem of lack of maintenance or leaks not detected.

Most of the pictures in the Lubbe album are due to failing plaster and paint and the bastardization of added heating and electrical systems over the decades with no regard to the integrity of the structure
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Back to the toilets, which in the photos are a disgrace.
-the door is locked now ( and obviously the toilets are now cleaned and secured ( there is no running water in that bathroom) – A bathroom that no one apparently knew was being used- well except by the people using it . As stated, in one of the previous news articles, the Commissioners were unaware the “Probation Dept.” had been moving their ” offices etc’ to that floor -
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and the door was unlocked – not because of a toilet access – but access needed to the electrical panel and the light which is also housed behind that door.

I wondered who had been using those facilities? Was it the homeless also was mentioned in a Chronicle article- clients of the court-house – workers and WHY didn’t anyone ever call maintenance upon discovery of such human filth?

I could go on and on BUT there is not much point you see although I have come to a conclusion:

Photo: Ariel Jerozolimski

Photo: Ariel Jerozolimski

My judgment in this case – The Demise of Lorain County Court House


IS TO FIND THE JUSTICES THE COMMISSIONERS OF DECADES PAST
E.W. DeChant-J.E. Davidson- O.G. Dunn (circa 1940) -
GUILTY OF “CONTEMPT” OF THE HISTORICAL WORTH AND LEGACY LEFT TO THEM AS GUARDIANS OF THIS YOUNG COUNTRY’S WORTHINESS AND VALUES!

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The JUSTICES AND COMMISSIONERS PRESENT DAY

GUILTY OF ENABLING THE CONTINUED BASTARDIZATION OF AN ICON OF THIS COUNTRY’S AND COUNTY’S HISTORICAL RECORD , AND LEGACY. FAILING TO CORRECT THE ACTS OF DEGRADATION BY THEIR PREDECESSORS AND THEREFORE NOT FIT GUARDIANS OF A NATIONAL HISTORICAL REGISTERED BUILDING .

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I FIND THE “JUDGES OF TODAY”

GUILTY OF WASTING TAXPAYERS MONEY IN THROWING DOWN THE GAUNTLET IN THE FIRST PLACE AND FORCING, THROUGH THE HIRING OF AN ATTORNEY (CHANDRA), MORE MONEY TO BE WASTED BY THE COUNTY.

BOTH PARTIES ARE FOUND

GUILTY OF WASTING THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION’S TIME IN A MATTER THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SETTLED AMONG THE RESPONSIBLE ELECTED OFFICIALS!

However, as Judge Burge likes to say the above is “moot” because what little of this edifice’s past glory is left will soon be gone as well- according to an email received on July 30th from Tim Lubbe:

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….It is my understanding that the County Commissioners have determined that the Adult Probation Department is to be situated in the old Courthouse. While it is the Court’s position that the costs of remodeling this facility far exceeds the expense of relocating the Adult Probation department to the 5th floor of the Justice Center, nevertheless the Court acknowledges that it is the Commissioners prerogative to spend or misspend money as they deem appropriate.

Additionally, I would note the remodeling to be performed will strictly focus on functionality not historic restoration. In fact, any remaining historical features in the building’s interior will likely not survive this conversion…….

What a sad ending for a grand old lady!
I am so glad I come from a land (England) that recognizes the worthiness of history , the buildings , the craftsmanship of yesteryear. I cannot fathom the thinking of those that dismiss so lightly their own history- We are but the caretakers………. but most do not care……….

July 31, 2014 at 12:15 am 1 comment

The Elyria Court House debacle , tax PAY ers PT3

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Part One – The Background

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/the-elyria-court-house-debacle-tax-pay-ers/

Part Two – A History

http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/the-elyria-court-house-debacle-tax-pay-ers-pt2/

In 1940 the County Commissioners decided the dome was unsafe and they took it down BUT they were in the midst of a campaign to have the whole building destroyed and replaced by WPA financed building http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration
In fact, those same commissioners tried time and time again to take down the building..
pdf file of the information here
courthouse info

and here courthouse info2
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Heman Ely deeded the land to be used for the purpose of a “permanent court house”. A building that cost $200,00 in 1881 which in today’s money is the equivalent of $4,545,454.55
But it seems over the years this grand dame of Elyria has suffered much at the very hands of those who were her supposed caretakers :
In September 2012 the Toledo Blade

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2012/09/09/Lorain-County-Courthouse-s-future-uncertain.html

carried the call from Commissioner Tom Williams:

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“It’s deteriorating. The grounds are in bad condition,” said first-term Lorain County Commissioner Tom Williams. “The building itself has mold in it. It’s just an old building now. I wouldn’t say it’s historic anymore. It’s more of a liability for the county.”

Although two of Lorain County’s three commissioners insist they have no interest in razing the old courthouse, Mr. Williams says something needs to be done to halt the building’s decline, and demolition may be more “cost-effective” than renovation.

And the Judges, well they have made their remarks ( time and time again)
Judges: Put old Lorain County Courthouse on death row
Filed on June 12, 2014 by Brad Dicken

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ELYRIA — Lorain County Common Pleas Judge James Miraldi told the county commissioners on Wednesday that he was “appalled” by the state of the old Lorain County Courthouse, which houses the county’s Adult Probation Department.

“What I saw over there wouldn’t be appropriate for a probation department in a Third World country,” Miraldi said.

Miraldi said he and other judges toured the building earlier this week and saw black mold, asbestos, a broken elevator and numerous other problems in the more than century-old building.

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Common Pleas Judge John Miraldi, who also took the tour, referred to the old Courthouse as “that pit” and said there were serious air quality problems inside.

NOTE all photos sources Lorain County.

Two Miraldis of the same mind apparently. Ah! the minds of men – and the what were they thinking department?.

First the caretakers of law and government abuse her over the decades by lopping off her head so to speak, denigrated her worth and beauty and then over the years tried to further finish her off by abusing her insides so terribly that she is no longer the once beautiful and proud icon of law and order.

She has become institutionalized with sea grass wallpaper , her beautiful tile work ripped up, hardwood floors covered with industrial carpeting an ersatz icon of faded glory not even good enough for the third world!

And some how this is “her fault”. And the taxpayer is paying to sort out the mess ONCE AGAIN !
Moot’ order over courthouse keys now vacated Filed by Brad Dicken

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/07/29/moot-order-keys-now-vacated/

The commissioners met with their newly hired lawyer Monday in executive session to discuss their options and prepare a reply.

Because Burge has rescinded his court order, there won’t be an immediate need for a hearing, Kalo said. The judge potentially could have held the commissioners in contempt of court for refusing to follow his order.

Commissioner Tom Williams said he wants to end the feud as soon as possible so both sides can stop paying their lawyers.

CHANDRAED NOTE The Judges have Hired Subodh Chandra and the taxpayers have paid out $50,000 retainer fee- expenses of approximately $33,000 so far – is that part of the $50,000 – this taxpayer hasn’t had an answer from Mr. Lubbe Lubberes

County Prosecutor Dennis Will, who normally represents both the commissioners and the judges, has removed his office from involvement in the dispute.

I’m hoping we can open up the lines of communication and try to come up with some agreement instead of taking this to court,” Williams said.

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We are now in the COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION AND I WILL TRY MY BEST TO ADVOCATE ON THE PLIGHT OF THE DEFENDANT ‘ THE LORAIN COUNTY COURT HOUSE- ELYRIA OHIO!
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PHOTO SOURCE:
Reprinted with permission
Elyria In Vintage PostcardsBenjamin J and Anne Fische Mancine - Arcadia Publishing on line http://www.arcadiapublishing.com 888-313-2665 – and Amazon Books

TO BE CONTINUED………..

July 30, 2014 at 1:33 am 1 comment

The Elyria Court House debacle , tax PAY ers PT2

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http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/the-elyria-court-house-debacle-tax-pay-ers/

Let us look at the history of this once glorious building and how she came into being. Was her promised construction the reason Elyria became the county seat? It seems so!
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http://home.windstream.net/thehickories/lchistory/

Heman Ely, the founder of Elyria and leading proponent of establishing Lorain County, offered to donate land adjacent to the park he had given to Elyria. In addition, he offered to donate $2000 toward the construction of a permanent courthouse, to build a jail and sheriff’s residence behind the courthouse, and to build a temporary courthouse to use until the permanent structure was completed.

Edmund West signed a Declaration of Trust (Feb. 14th 1823) that when Ohio organized Lorain County he would convey land Heman Ely had given him (back on 22 February 1822) to the Lorain County commissioners. Ebenezer Lane, on another receipt dated 14 February 1823, stated that he was given a deed between Heman Ely and Henry Brown for lots 1-2 and 6-7 to cover a bond to raise $3000 for Lorain County court buildings.

You can find more of the Heman Ely story here :

https://www.elyriaschools.org/ElyriaHistory/1803-1818.html

It was a big thing back in the days of this new country, now forming its own government apart and distanced from England; they knew full well the importance of “law”- “justice”
and “accountability”. This United States was founded upon the rules of law.

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.
James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 (1788)

It was important the edifices built for government and the judiciary were of an imposing, solid-and impressive design as they were the icons of the ideals of democracy. This new country and her laws had to be seen as stable and long-lasting. The architecture of the day was the “marketing ” to the population of stability, a government for the people etc. the populace needed reassurance this government of the United States of America would be seen to last and be successful, the bricks and mortar of the new government were a way of reassurance to the population.

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Photo Source http://www.elyriaschools.org/ElyriaHistory/1818-1830.html

1828 The first permanent county courthouse was begun in the public square. It was red brick with a bell cupola and fireplaces in each room. Heman Ely donated land and money for this building

But in
1881- A new County Courthouse was finished and was the largest and most elegant building in Elyria. It was built of local Amherst sandstone.

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Elyria Court House with cupola

One can imagine the pride Elyrians must have felt watching this wonderful edifice rising from the ground – majestic , purposeful and making a statement of “law” “democracy” and “success” carved out of a wilderness.

Apparently an architect was hired- Elijah E Meyers

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Elijah E. Myers (December 22, 1832, Philadelphia – March 5, 1909, Detroit) was a leading architect of government buildings in the latter half of the 19th century, and the only architect to design the capitol buildings of three U.S. states, the Michigan State Capitol, the Texas State Capitol, and the Colorado State Capitol

The years passed, discussion in 1937 came into play as to the deteriorating metal structures on top of the court house. Therefore , man in their wisdom, decided sometime in 1943 to take off the beautiful dome and with it Lady Justice-

Lady Justice is seen as a blindfolded woman in a toga holding a sword in one hand and a balance (or scales) in the other. She is seen as the epitome of fairness and moral force, and is usually intended as the icon of Judicial Systems. In Roman mythology, she is known as Justitia. In Greek mythology, she’s known as Themis (the goddess of divine order) and her daughter, Dike (who carries scales). In Egyptian mythology, she’s known as Maat, and later, Isis. The Greek goddess Nemesis, as the goddess of vengeance, was the goddess who carried the sword, and the Roman goddess Fortuna (which means “fate”) was the goddess who was blindfolded. As an amalgam of all of these symbols, Lady Justice represents a goddess of divine order who balances fate and vengeance, and collectively represents justice internationally.

It was probably more cost-effective to “remove” than refurbish- Step one in the decline of “reason- perpetuity and pride.

However, in 1975, even without her “top”, Lorain County Court House was deemed still significant enough to be added to the National Historic Register in 1975.

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Lady Justice has apparently disappeared from her court house and the court house has been left to a sad fate at the hands of “justices”

to be continued……….

July 28, 2014 at 5:11 pm 1 comment

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