FORGOTTEN- NOW GONE!!!-Part two

May 4, 2008 at 11:17 pm 26 comments

blue  as I  can be
that woman by Loraine Ritchey thatwb@yahoo.com

Ironically May , according to Heritage Ohio, is Preservation Month-“This Place Matters”
Does it matter in Lorain or Lorain County ?Or are we looking at “progress” from this 1879
the corner 1979
to this 2008
Click on photos to enlarge Photo Henery Hawk

So do we care about Captain Samuel Flint– his story – his contribution to this community , to the lives saved because of him and his heroism?
CAPTAIN SAMUEL L. FLINT from HISTORY OF LORAIN COUNTY OHIO 1879

was born at Plattsburg, New york, February 18, 1830, being the sixth
child of John and Amy (Hammond) Flint of that place; all of Scotch ( ED NOTE this should be Scots descent as Scotch is the drink )
descent. When eight years of age he accompanied his parents to
Buffalo, New York, remaining there about two years, when they removed to Toledo, Ohio, where his parents spent the remainder of their days.
When nineteen years old Captain Flint commenced to work for
John P. Freeman, of Toledo, at the carpenter and joiner trade. After
attaining his majority he removed to Black River, this county, where
he became engaged as a ship carpenter, which he followed winters for
nearly twenty years, sailing on the lakes until the close of navigation every year, which latter occupation he still follows.

At an early period in his business career, Captain Flint became
interested in farming, and is now considered a good, practical
farmer, as well as an excellent navigator. Eight Years ago he
purchased the comfortable farm and residence, an illustration of
which appears elsewhere in this volume.

On the 20th of July, 1850 he married Helen M., daughter of Adam
Miller, of Black River. They had five children, of whom Alice L.,
Helen A. and Samuel L survive. Mrs. Flint departed this life May 3,
1864. After mourning the loss of his wife just one year, the Captain
married again, the subject of his choice this time being his present
excellent wife, who at the time of their marriage was Jane D. Tracy,
widow of R. F. Tracy, of Elyria, and daughter of Captain Luther
Dennison and Agnes Martin, the former born in Vermont, the latter at
Dykehead, Scotland. Mrs. Flint has two daughters by her first
husband, Louisa S., now the wife of John Maxfield, of Lamont,
Michigan, and Elizabeth E., wife of Captain H. W. Stone, of Cleveland.
 4 mast sailing schooner
Among other experiences of a nautical career, extending over
twenty-eight years, the following befel [sic] Captain Flint. On the
26th of August, 1874. the propeller Persian, then the largest vessel
on Lake Erie, and commanded by Captain Flint, took fire, from the
ignition of gas in the coal bunkers. After burning almost three
hours, she sunk, and all hands, — nineteen in number, including
Captain Flint, — took refuge on the hatches, upon which they floated
for two hours and a half, when they were picked up by the propeller
Badger, and thus saved from a watery grave.

You can access pictures of the Persian as she lies in her watery grave here
and
In 1850 federal census,

he was rooming (listed as a sailor) with Charles Baldwin, who was an engineer in Black River(Charleston Village)
His first wife was Helen M. Miller July 20,1850. She died n 1864,
he then remarried to Jane. His 1st wife Hellen, was staying with
Sophia Baldwin in Black River just before her marriage.

Capt.Flint bought the beautiful farm in early 1871 from an Emelius L. Stowe of Amherst. The Capt. Flint is buried in Elyria’s Ridgelawn Cemetery.
Cemetery Inscriptions for Lorain County. It reads as follows:

FLINT
Capt., Feb 8, 1828-Apr 10, 1894 GAR
Helen, wife, July 24, 1831-May 30, 1864
Jean, wife, Feb 5, 1821-Apr 25, 1901

In the Elyira Republican, April 5, 1894….

“Capt. Flint is seriously Ill. His daughter, Mrs. Stone and son Sam Flint of Cleveland are with him”.

So the pretty farm house of 1860 is gone- it is telling to me that in 1977 –The Lorain County Regional Planning Commission – Historic Preservation, Landmark Buildings and sites in Lorain County and Vermilion OH noted in its study of 1977
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THREATENS THE EXISTENCE OF THIS HOUSE” I disagree LACK of CARING by the study makers and the county and we the people took down this piece of Lorain’s history … but does anyone really care???? apart from the few tree huggers, crackpots , cranks and blowhards? DO YOU ?
The pdf file about the house study and information can be found clicking on the following:monday-april-28-20081

ED NOTE : THANKS TO NANCY MEYERS, DAVE COTTON, RENEE DORE, DIANE MEDINA AND HENERY HAWK FOR RESEARCH AND PHOTOS.

Entry filed under: Brit take, city of lorain, history.

Muley Doesn’t Forget- Kent State Paula’s Perspective -City Council May 5th

26 Comments Add your own

  • 1. renee dore  |  May 5, 2008 at 3:00 am

    What amazes me about this home is all this information was gathered in a week after the house was torn down. A few of us were familiar with bits and pieces. And here we are, sharing stories, photos and legacy’s– all were tucked in books and reference files that we’re so easy to retrieve. But that’s just it-why aren’t these stories well known in our community- visable by ways of videos, displays, landmark plaques and National Landmark designations? We are looking at ways to make our community better- more interesting. Some are right in front of us- we drive past them daily. I heard that renters trashed this lovely home. Not sure if that is true- if it is -what a shame. If people who rent these old treasures with histories attached knew something about their place of residence- maybe better care would be taken- relished rather than destroyed. There are many more homes in Lorain with similar stories connected. But for how long??? Renee Dore

  • 2. Loraine Ritchey  |  May 5, 2008 at 10:50 am

    Well seems Ohio according to this mornings Plain Dealer has recognised the importance to tourism of the shipwrecks that dot Lake Erie
    “It’s really a large part of our history,” said John Watkins, chief of the state’s coastal management office, which contributed $4,500 to the project. The Ohio Lake Erie Commission donated $10,000.
    HMMMMMMM well since only a select few can access the “connection” with the ships HOW ABOUT ACCESSING THE HOMES THE CAPTAINS CAME FROM. and their stories ……there are here in Lorain or at least they were….lets see how many are left?

    http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1209976239135100.xml&coll=2

  • 3. Loraine Ritchey  |  May 5, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Here is the website
    http://www.ohioshipwrecks.org/

  • 4. renee dore  |  May 5, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Captain Ralph Lyons home on West Erie ( he sailed the Superior City- now on the bottom of Lake Superior-if it’s the same one built here) is another. The home of Captain Cowley and the Porter shipcaptains are still here- don’t know if they had ships that went down, though. Renee Dore

  • 5. dennis lamont  |  May 5, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    I would think that such a rich local history would be a natural part of the proposed maritime museum. What are the ships without the people and to see the history and then walk down the street to bring it to life is a natural.

  • 6. Loraine Ritchey  |  May 5, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Yes Dennis it would be a natural fit however I don’t think we can “WAIT” for the “proposed” museum .who knows IF that will happen anytime soon…… we need to market and get this areas significance on the map now.we can’t WAIT for the museum to come to the port hisotry the port history has to start making the journey to the museum inho…… this areas significance to a maritime hisotry is fast being bulldozed and destroyed by landlords….with a plethora of properties

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  • 8. Gary Fischer  |  May 5, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    I did some checking and found that a small consolation is that the foundation stones as well as the gingerbread and trims will be recycled and used on some other projects. The Esthruth family tried to get someone interested in the property as it has been in their family for many years. They had tenents who severely damaged the interior and finally decided tht demolition was the final answer as no one was interested in the house. The Esthruths are sad at the loss because of the family memories. To bad we do not have a biuilding repository where we could move the threatened structures and creat our own Greenfield Village. It could be a great historic tourism attraction.

    Gary

  • 9. thatwoman  |  May 5, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    I agree and since the county had this flagged 30 odd years ago ( and I bet you it was another tax payer paid study) by the COUNTY it is a damned shame that the Esthruths history the Flint history and the Stowe history had to go this way but maybe just maybe it can be a poster child …. people need help in preserving these homes and buildings and Gary boy do I have a neighborhhod for you were we could have our own Greenfield Village called CHARLESTON VILLAGE just needs some tender love and care and interest from the powers that be to see its potential and importance to the downtown and lakefront!!!! 🙂 it is already there and space available 🙂

  • 10. buckeyerino  |  May 5, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    Gary Fischer wisely pointed out: “The Esthruth family tried to get someone interested in the property as it has been in their family for many years.”

    Isn’t our hobbled local economy posing the greatest threat to these historic homes? Who’s interested in buying up properties in Lorain these days? Market prices are affordable now, but who’s willing to spend the cash when we’re all hurting financially, and people are migrating away from the city in search of jobs?

    If there was more cash in Lorain’s economy, saving these properties would be easier to orchestrate.

  • 11. thatwoman  |  May 5, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    I don’t know Daniel these homes weren’t snatched up in the 80″s when times were good …the deterioration of these homes can also be laid at the door of no point of sale inspection and 8 years of an administration that stopped home inspections for the landlords ( there are articles linked on WoM for that ). you can see ( hopefully when Henery and I meet up the deterioration of some of our lovely old homes on 8th and Hamilton

    the current economic climate doesn’t help and the fact that most of the city is “ignorant” of her colourful history so to them just another old eyesore that should come down…..but I think the biggest issue is caring and connection.Lorain seems to have very few that really care and even less connection…… but also as Gary wisely said the opportunity for a Greenfield type village is here a connction between the land and the inland sea ….

  • 12. renee dore  |  May 5, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Gary, if more land becomes vacant because of old buildings being torn down there might be enough lots to put these older structures. I tried like heck in 1998 when a shipcaptain’s home went down at 2nd and Hamilton to get the idea of using the lots at 2nd and Oberlin for a place to put the old home. It would have been a start and a move of just one block. We have an origianl gothic window from that structure. I believe it was the home of either Capt. Vader or Vetter. It had a foundation of original log timbers and ship’s material for some of the inside supports. The move would have been a half of a block. Now – the tree sculptures are where the old house could have gone.
    I was told then (1998) by a city official that this city isn’t like other cities with charm and history- it wouldn’t be a “draw” to have a historic village- he said we basically didn’t have a history interesting enough to ceate and support a historic village. Lorain just wasn’t that kind of place he told me. I wish he could have come back and taken the Trolley Tour- we all had so mucjh to say we couldn’t get it all in. Renee

  • 13. Loraine Ritchey  |  May 5, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    There is no arguing with ignorance Renee and just because they don’t know about the old port and her history .makes them “oh they of little knowledge”- making the decisions.. which are for the most part uneducated …is is any wonder we are where we are today ….. well you can but try and thank you for trying 🙂

  • 14. renee dore  |  May 6, 2008 at 2:51 am

    I just got an email from a descendant in the Lyons family who seems to know some things about Captain Ralph Lyons whose original house is still on West Erie. he took out the Superior City-more to come on this… Renee

  • 15. Diane Wargo Medina  |  May 6, 2008 at 2:52 am

    I would like to know when did the owners of Standen/Flint house make it known that it was for sale or anything? I tried a few times to get someone to answer the door. This town is dying, and no one wants to invest, and the old houses that we have, the city never put pressure on the landowners to fix them up, by the time they started to do some thing they are beyond repair and the cost is to high. The administrations of the past have screwed us big time , and were talking when I was a kid, if they were on these people back in the day the future, our present would not be in the shit house that it is in now. If we cannot get the city officials off their ass to recognize the cemetery, and let me say after 24 years this crap is getting old, why would they care about the houses? To many mistakes way back, and I firmally believe we were doing ok when I was a child, it seems that eveything started to fall apart, more section 8 garbage, more renters and the owners who only look at the money and do not care what white trash lives in it, it just starts to add up, look at where I live here on 8th street, hello, what the hell is happening, there is like an island of the good folks who still care and the garbage surrounds us. I think we needed a few good women up at city hall years ago, we would not be in the bullshit that we are in now. If some of you men out there think I am talking out of my head, proove me wrong, nothing has worked yet after all of these years. Just call Lorain Ohio the project capital of the world. I just do not see other citys around us looking like it, when my husband comes home from his trucking job, he has sworn that this town will end up like Detroit. I hope to God he is wrong. Be careful out there the house on Oberlin Avenue across from the stadium, is in good shape, built in 1868, but the people are somewhat sloppy, we could lose that one. Autumn Aegis(Shields Nursing Home) began as a small house, the main office has been remodeled, but the back end is still the original , the Sprengers did put the window back in place with the original date, I use to work there, anyway everyone, I have the right to bitch, to much talking from the city with their broken promises but not enough of them have put it to good use.! May the ears of city hall BUZZ TONIGHT!!!!!!

  • 16. muley  |  May 6, 2008 at 4:48 am

    ……..thank you Diane, thank you very much. Unfortunately, those at city hall are the most ignorant of them all. It’s a shame that the likes of you, Loraine, Renee and others have to literally hit these idiots over the head with a baseball bat to get them to understand what our history means to us. I know it’s getting old, you’ve been at it for years trying to make our history known, and there are many who do appreciate your efforts, and I feel I can speak for all of them right now, and we thank you.

  • 17. thatwoman  |  May 6, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Diane more than most has the right to have answers to her questions…she has singlehandly worked for decades ( yes decades) to keep the historic “landmarked” cemetery alive in the minds and the hearts and physically to the forefront of this community at her own expense and even with the “project” that Black River Historical Society and Charleston Village Society in partnership with Diane have tried to understake in reclaiiming this “hallowed ground” the years and months of being stymied continue…
    Volunteers can only do so much there HAS to be a “partnership ” with the CITY who are the owners of the property………they need to step up to this plate as well as that of the Pipe Yard……. we need so little in comparison……Loraine

  • 18. thatwoman  |  May 6, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Well I have just fired off an email to the City and it will be part of an article on Wednesday all being well………

  • 19. Gary Fischer  |  May 6, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    The City seems to be at a loss as to what we could do with the old Stove Works property. Lorraine you might remember an idea that i had about taking a chunk of unused property and moving the threatened buildings to that site. It involved recreating the original village starting with the Native Americans and culminating with a tornado museum. We could also work in an operating trolley line. I have presented it several times and the reaction was “Who would care about Lorain’s history? ” Hale farm and village is a great example of such a site. Historic tourism is huge. Approx 100,000 visitors a year to Hale farm. Who cares about the Hale farm? Seems that a lot of people do. They protray history through live actors who tell the story of the village through their own eyes.
    The Stove works could accomodate a historic village and provide a chance for revitalization for the surrounding property by crreating a new point of interest. Anyone interested?
    I will go to bat for it again.
    Just another note Blooms of Steel regarding the history of Lorain has already presold over 500 tickets. Too bad no one cares about the history of Lorain! |-) ( thats me wincing!)

  • 20. Gary Fischer  |  May 6, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Oh and the house on Broadway was advertised for sale it had a sign up for several months. I too began to overlook it as I proceeded to I 90.

  • 21. thatwoman  |  May 6, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    I agree there is this “who cares about Lorain and her history” Well her history which was the history of the Revolution …the 1812 war ….Johnny appleseed, the inland sea ..the pioneers, the development of steel you have the manufacturing industry history , the maritime history, early pioneers all written on these streets .been to Williamsburg lately …. Wednesday I will touch upon “the playmaker”
    Glad to see theat Blooms of Steel is doing well I will be putting up more information on that on Link -ups.

    I have to admit I didn’t notice the sign, not that I could’ve purchased it anyway but maybe if the significance was known?????? pity our hometown newspaper didn’t cover it however can’t blame them for everything of course they covered Veterans park very well….Oh yes that right they wanted to put up condos….. :(.but then again we are dwelling on what could’ve been rather than what to do now! It is lost .split milk….. but if it raises awaeness then maybe it served aa purpose in coming down…….

    And I have some south Lorain history and who had the first house and the steel plant 🙂 forthcoming……..

  • 22. denise caruloff  |  May 6, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Diane….

    I have said for years now,that Lorain is becoming Detroit…we are at the door step without a welcome mat. Your husband hit the nail right on the head. I honestly don’t know anymore, about this city, and the course it is taking on so many levels.
    I admire your spirit and vigor. I saw the nails spewing as your words were read. There have been so many folks in this town that has been trying so hard for so long. It was nice to have met you.
    denise

  • 23. renee dore  |  May 7, 2008 at 4:50 am

    I know this probably sounds insane, but a side effect of higher gas prices might- just might inspire people to remain in this area to shop, eat, work, whatever…
    Who knows how long this economic crunch is going to last- it might be good to keep persuing projects related to this city’s heritage. I know one thing- all of the hard work done by volunteers have not gone unoticed and it has been for the good of the community thus far. Imagine how things would be if it wouldn’t have been for grassroot groups like Charleston Village , the neighbors on 8th st., the Black River Historical Society and others to make a positive influence in older neighborhoods. It certainly seems like the strides are happening slow, but I don’t think we should stop focusing and being assertive in making goals happen. Maybe the fragrance of the old lilacs blooming on this sunshiny spring day has me hoping for better days. I remember the lot (where the tree sculptures are now) over15 years ago was strewn with old couches, washing machines, debris, old tires, and much more. We cleaned that uo and it was no longer a dumping ground. The cemetery was an unrespected , unknown piece of land-look at it at least this far today, The Moore House was just getting started and look at it today. We demonstrated the ability to help make things happen and I hope we can continue to do so. We just need the help to get these finished. It would be a shame to loose the grassroots ability here in Lorain. Renee

  • 24. YAKITY- YAK - LETS LOOK BACK « That Woman’s Weblog  |  May 8, 2008 at 10:55 am

    […] headstone Charles Baldwin. I draw your attention to the recent article on Samual Flint and the Forgotten and Gone article “In 1850 federal census, he was rooming (listed as a sailor) with Charles Baldwin, […]

  • 25. Col. Matthew Nahorn  |  May 12, 2008 at 1:34 am

    I am pleased that someone has thought it worthy to post such important information on a little-known person who contributed much to our area and local history. Fortunately I was able to make a few photos of the house as well and save a few bricks, etc for a display and file at my local New Indian Ridge Museum. Capt. Flint’s memory will not be forgotten. Hopefully, in the future, more attention will be shifted towards preserving and rehabilitating these important structures, not to mention educating other individuals on our area’s rich history.

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