Coming to the surface!-The Complex- Complex

March 6, 2010 at 2:09 pm 13 comments


Also the Chronicle Telegram in its article on Elyria Schools has a link to the salaries of school staff in Lorain- I believe the last time I checked LCS was Lorain’s 2nd largest employer.

I surface for a minute or so, read the on-line papers and once in a great while comment- and sink back into the oblivion of apathy again.

It gets harder and harder to come to the surface, to walk in the parallel world. But sometimes there are moments.

I have commented on Morning Journal articles with regard to what I am calling the “Complex- Complex” .

I know, having been around this old town for more years than I care to remember and gathering her history that something needs to happen in “old town” .

I would like to be able to tell you that I think Plan A, Plan B or Plan C is a good idea -I can’t -because I simply don’t know enough to make an educated decision – Quite frankly I find the “complex – complex “ a little complex- especially from my parallel world.

However one thing I do understand is –

“once bitten twice shy and “here we go again”

“thinking” of the general population in Lorain and we do have some reasons for that “thinking” .

We have had ideas, and pretty plans up the kazoo. We have paid for study after study after study
and yet here we sit- broken-hearted – went to sh** and only farted ( old English saying 🙂

Just two years ago we , the taxpayers, paid $90,000 dollars for the Staubach report you can find my take on that meeting here

Now from that report came a ” SuperBoard” the LPACC (Lorain Port Authority /City/Council) there was MUCH discussion at the time but that Board was supposed to meet and discuss the development ideas etc etc and costs etc and impacts when it pertained to the river and lake front, the downtown corridor and surrounding areas ( if I remember correctly) .

Isn’t that what we are discussing with the “complex complex” .

What happened to that Board? Would this be the perfect vehicle to utilize such a Board and all the expertise it should bring “on Board”?

Maybe I am naive but we paid a lot of money for that recommendation from Staubach. It seems to me that the LPACC Board could be a very useful tool in sorting out the complexities of the “complex complex.”
Well back to the netherworld Glug Glug Glug!!!!


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  • 1. Brian  |  March 6, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    I believe that our city doesn’t have any sort of a plan because when it doesn’t happen, then the powers to be cannot be blamed.

    The discussions about the educational campass is yet another wayward attempt to make it appear that the public is involved, but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense if someone took the project by the horns and said that site A, or whatever, is the most cost effective and will give the residents the most bang for the buck?

    Diverting the attention from how much it is going to cost to “don’t worry about how much it costs, we just want to build it right” makes as much sense as the smaller than garage sale signs promoting the Pipeyard. Many want to take credit for building and supporting the facility, but nobody is saying how in the world can a million dollar project give the residents so little in return?

    What ever happened to the quarter million that was left over from the sale of the bond for the pallet site to make improvements to the property? Why isn’t anyone from the supergroup standing up and saying where did the money go?

    I am done getting involved primarily because no matter how many times the questions are asked, no one ever gets back with the answers because those that are elected to guide us have blinders on because it is better to be ignorant than to be informed in this city. If they admitted to being informed, then one would expect them to do something about it.

  • 2. Grammy  |  March 6, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    When I was a child (oh so long ago) and Lorain and Broadway were booming, plans surfaced for the underpass. It was studied, planned, tabled, talked about ad infinitum. When it came time to finally actually create the underpass (better traffic flow, no trains stopping traffic and emergency vehicles, better access for downtown shoppers, and as a member of the high school band (one of two at that time) not having the parade stop for a train crossing) the downtown had died. The underpass was not a viable issue any longer. The railroads had reduced us to a single track through town, lots and lots of businesses has already left for places like the mall and other unknown resting places. Traffic was no longer a real issue for Lorain. BUT, we had already spent so much money on studies et al, we would have “lost” money if we had not built the underpass. (It had been long enough of a wait that I was an adult and a parent when if finally came to “pass”!)

    That’s the kind of logic that exists on SuperBoards around here.

  • 3. Dennis Lamont  |  March 7, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    1995 … ONE plan agreed to by the community
    2000 … plan in and working
    2005 … plan worth $150,000,000 expanding and more done
    2010 … still working, slowing down with the economy but still expanding

    these folks just don’t realize that this doesn’t work and downtowns across the USofA are doomed …….on the other hand; can’t, won’t, shouldn’t, couldn’t and not here have to be shipped about three miles north of the lighthouse before the ice melts. I have not seen one project in the downtown area that is a year ’round operation that will show some hope for the area …businessmen have a hard time with 5 months business and the grand old lady on Broadway looks pretty lonely with flashing lights in the middle of darkness … I almost expect to meet Rod Serling on the corner. Seven years, knock, knock, seven years

  • 4. thatwoman  |  March 7, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Plan a four letter word 🙂 problem is and you have noticed that if you take Broadway as the center of a radius and radiate out in the area from which to draw business one third of the pie or circle is the Lake and the lake is only available for a few months of the year. It is our greatest asset and greatest detriment all at the same time.

    I don’t have the answers but I do know – pick your wishlist – planning isn’t the way ( in my opinion) but I don’t have much longer to worry about it … I will leave it to others to fight and argue the benefits……… I of the no opinion apathy that I find myself in at the moment …..

  • 5. Dennis Lamont  |  March 7, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    scattershot planning is a disaster ….. outside the scope of most of the folks in this area are downtowns that work and the common denominator is a plan, these things don’t happen by accident or piece and patch. The proposed school complex is a new social and cultural center for the city at one end of a 21 block downtown (in any of the four quadrants). As one person mentioned 24/7 8a to 8p there will be people at this location, build on that …this has no dependence on any of the tourist stuff …for heavens sake, build on it, and lets go after the tourist stuff for the magic five months to make it that much sweeter. Like yourself I will not be hanging around waiting much longer ….2011 God willing will be the start of a whole new ball game.

  • 6. Kalin  |  March 8, 2010 at 5:43 am

    The beauty of this plan is that a whole bunch of people can take credit for it. Schools, Politicians, Etc….

  • 7. Dennis  |  March 8, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    The Super Board…the super board… ah yes Loraine
    I remember that committee it only lasted for one meeting before it became the super BORED, the Staubach report:
    “City Hall is taking up valuable real estate”
    Why hasn’t this city administration moved into St Joseph C.C.?
    I am sure they can get American Demolition to knock down city hall, of course at no expense to the city.

    When this campus project was an idea, its cost started at $50 million, school attorney said “$70 million has already been financed by the Ohio School Facilities Commission” and in Tuesday’s MJ, it states it will cost at least $100 million, in this last MJ article its now $150 million… do I hear $175, can I get $175… oh there’s $175, “yaba daba do” can I get $200 million going once, going twice…going to the taxpayers of Lorain.
    They already know where they want it and the cost has more than tripled…

    Whatever happened to the proposed GLHS Museum, sub-merged land leases for the wind turbine farm and a working port those are the ideas that the Port Authority should be going all out in support of, they have no business getting involved with Lorain City Schools because they want to enable them to continue spending the taxpayers money?

    Now, site #3 is worst possible place you could ever think of putting a high school. This is not a central location.
    The removal of the power lines will virtually kill any proposals
    for lake based wind turbines and tying in at the old OEC Lorain
    plant. Without these to connect to the grid, we have no distribution point in the central city.
    The City of Lorain is working on getting the old power plant property. If it is being decommissioned, they can get the power siteing board/PUCO to declare that the line is no longer active and then purchase the land and/or easements from 1st Energy.
    The City/Port Authority/LSD will then need to either contract (pay) to remove the towers or 1st Energy might do it for them (probably for a fee). The problem with this is that once the line is decommissioned it is virtually impossible to get the lines recommissioned (given the current regulatory climate).

    There goes any chance of an offshore wind turbine farm for Lorain. This also precludes the establishment of a Lorain Muni Power Company as not only a distributor (billing at a reduced rate to residents and Lorain businesses; butt, as a power generator (income stream from public/private partnership) also… Who would pay to construct a new line to connect in at West Lorain or to re-install the old Main Lorain line, when you could connect at either Avon Lake or CEI Lakeshore in Cleveland without the added expense?

    The #3-site is a poisoned spear pointed right at the heart of our city. If the citizens of Lorain do not stand up or speak out,
    this deal will inhibit the chances of future development projects along the river and the waterfront.

    This project should only be about building a high school and not about adding cost to facilitate for a library, recreation center and whatever you can throw into the mix!

  • 8. thatwoman  |  March 8, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Well the GLHS got a better offer to go to Toledo …..but that was all a load of hooie anyway by Foltin to sell the Casino… .get everybody drooling .. get preety plans an pictures and concepts drawn up…. so we could be spend hundereds of thousands …..ever notice all we get in Lorain is “foreplay” no I take that back there have been a couple of times we have been ( put in your own terminology here 🙂 …………………

  • 9. Dennis Lamont  |  March 8, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    No way is “Dennis Lamont” associated with “Dennis”.
    I expect to meet “Dennis” at one of the meetings where he can express his viewpoint on the complex.

    Other than that …I was in meetings with First Energy on the power lines in Lorain and your impression of the situation is off base. The power Plant can be eliminated with out any of the drawbacks you state. The improvement to the waterfront marketability is immense.

    Please look in our own back yard and see the number and quality of the port facilities in closeby cities that are shutdown and rotting away before you wonder about the port of Lorain. Google the “double-stack corridor” and see why facilities that are shut down half a year cannot compete with transportation that runs all year. While you are out looking at windmill sites you just might see a great location for a container port if only global warming keeps the lakes open and the Welland canal can be expanded to take the big boats.

  • 10. Loraine Ritchey  |  March 8, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Oh the if only’s ……one of those studies and plans called for the container port to be off the old Ford Plant location .in fact a lot of “study” went into that scenaio at the time I believe it was called the West side Urban Development Plan ( I have a copy ) 🙂

  • 11. Dennis Flores  |  March 9, 2010 at 4:16 am

    No way is “Dennis” associated with “Dennis Lamont”.
    I expect to meet Dennis Lamont at one of the meetings where I will express my point of view on the complex complex. Other than that I ‘ll see you at the meeting!

  • 12. Dennis Lamont  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    YAY Dennis, I am looking forward to it. I think the first meeting went well and the folks that stuck to the stated purpose had some great ideas. It ain’t easy to fit it into 3 minutes. I will reiterate, this is a chance to build a new educational, cultural, and social center, a new focal point for the city … again the idea was formulated by visiting places where this had been done and is working (sound familiar).

    Yes the west side …we also have a drawing of a lovely lakefront development where that ugly bridge crosses the road at the Ford Plant ..with a commuter rail station.

    Just remember, the biggest “developer” in Lorain is section8 housing to the tune of $16,000,000 per year (last time I looked). HUD pumps tons of money into Lorain and what does it produce ? What message does this send to potential developers ? What does no working development plan mean to developers?

    Black River Landing …planned, in and done
    Diked Disposal Plan …planned, funded and working.
    Black River cleanup … planned, funded, starting
    Metro Parks Projects …planned, funded, in and working

    has anyone noticed how one-sided this is, or have an explanation why these are working and nothing else is?

  • 13. Loraine Ritchey  |  March 9, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Well Dennis L. Port Authority and Metro Parks come to mind 🙂 and outside entities…. and MONEY!!! I said it in my open letter to Lorain MONEY you can do anything if you have the budget …

    You get what you get ,,if the money is Federal money and the development is section 8 or low income and in fill housing then that is what gets built….. and TPTB grab gratefully those dollars it means jobs – to oversee the monies, to build, etc … trading off a positive to what has become a negative because we are living in a “saturated solution of one kind of development ( in old town)

    There was a study in the 1970’s about this oldest neighborhood and 1st and 2nd streets ( we call Portside) when those homes were 90 percent “OWNER” occupied and how the city needed to preserve the history etc and that nieghborhood.the Owner Occupied tag is no longer and the stats have pretty much reversed and the city did not utilize the ordinances ( codes) that were already on the books or inforce them….. therefore we now have transient housing.meaning long term rentals ( which are preferred are also a thing of the past) One of the teachers told me that the class she starts with ( elementary ) school in the fall is not the same group of kids for the most part after the Christmas break .

    I t is down to money ….. Do you think that if money wasn’t a question and “where it will eventually be coming from and going through the “procedures required ” we would be having these ????

    I think you will find the “one sidedness”

    to these latest plans and others that wil l come is due to having more “not happening plans and ideas on the one side of the scale” outweighing the “successes on the other” and being told we have to “give this a chance” or that a chance” and it hasn’t happened ….

    People are fed up and sceptical and it just isn’t in Lorain…. It wil be intersting to see how this plays out ….

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