WHAT DO YOU KNOW? The Complex Complex

March 12, 2010 at 12:58 pm 11 comments

or _ Dream a little dream of (Lorain)

Last evening after putting my toe in the water on this blog , I decided to attend the Complex Complex forum.

My disclaimer here is that these were my impressions of the event through my “fog of being and breath holding so as not to flood the room with “emotional incontinence“.

So What do we know?

1. We know for sure that Lorain City Schools has to build a new High School ( somewhere) and there is already $70 million in place to build it.

That is a definite. whether it is on the river, central Lorain, on the Admiral King site or even as suggested last evening on the “neutral East side!”

2. We also know that there is a concept ( not that unique) to have more than just a school built but by using that definite anchor of a new school to bring to a site, in central Lorain a new library , a recreation and health care facility and a LCCC portal ( my word as I am not at all sure of what that entails as yet) .

Obviously those supporting the Central Lorain Complex concept (because of the fact that Lorain’s center needs something to happen ) considered the idea of putting together this complex in an area that would have an impact and make a radical change to the heart of Lorain.

The entities involved, those that own the land for the one site under discussion, the “possible partners “ of the complex have asked the populace and those that will decide on ‘WHERE”

to basically consider the options of a partnership and a sharing possibility and to get the thoughts of the taxpayers .

When we build the new High School we will need X amount of land however if we consider a “complex” then obviously we will need more – and of course the partnership would also require more than the 70 million already in the bank. We would need to plan ahead -( now there is a concept 🙂

It seems to me all these forums really are asking is “what would the population like to see and that if the complex is an idea that has merit there are 4 locations in Central Lorain that would change the “old town”.

It really is as simple as that if you ask me. The problem is like anything else we all get tied up in the could be this , could mean this, could cost this and the what ifs. We all have our definite and passionate opinions none of which are wrong.

Morning Journal Video of the meeting

Chronicle Telegram

Gary Fischer asked last night to “give us your dream,” being on the receiving end as a facilitator he got a bit of a nightmare instead, but I have to say it was entertaining. 🙂

My conclusion:
You are being asked a simple question in these forums

1. Do we want the High School to stand-alone and consider the option of having it in Central Lorain.

2. Do we want the new High School to be part of a larger grouping that would impact Central Lorain in a very significant way .

If the general consensus is Yes to question two then the “partnership” will explore the cost of putting the complex and feasibility in the four areas as described in the presentation, and coming up with a plan for implementation.

Well that is what I took away from last nights meeting as well as the conclusion that Lorain still has passionate people that care about Lorain and actually this Loraine too! Thanks


Entry filed under: city of lorain, commentary, education, Lorain Port Authority, opinion.

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11 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Anne Molnar  |  March 12, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    This is my second session that I have attended. I found it entertaining, with serious thoughts about the location. The good thing is that there was more possitive thoughts than negative. You could see the passion in some peoples voices, which makes me believe that people truly care about their City.
    My thought is to find enough land to first built the one high school with the $70 million dollars. That would be plan A.
    Plan B when money is available, then additions can become a reality.Central Lorain is my choice for location, many have expressed that as well.
    I will be anxious to attend the meeting with the students ideas. Alot of wisdom comes out of those minds. After all, they will be the future leaders of tomorrow.
    I graduated from the Penn. schools as you did Loraine from the England schools. You and I Loraine along with many others have the best interest possible for Our City, and that will never change. ” I love Lorain.” My comments are not expressed as a council person, but as a private citizen whose four children all graduated from South View High and were successful in achieving their goals in life.

  • 2. Loraine Ritchey  |  March 12, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Thanks for the input Anne and it is duly noted that your opinions are that as a citizen and not a Council person . Nice talking to you last night and to the many others that care Loraine

  • 3. Gary Fischer  |  March 12, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    I appreciate the clarifications of the requestbeig put out at the meettings. I have to agree that it is great to see that people care so deeply about Lorain’s future. I agreed to moderate this (AS A VOLUNTEER) because, I too, care deeply about Lorain’s future and the future of Lorain’s children. I believe strongly that we have a real opportunity to make a dramatic change in Lorain. It will not be free and may not be easy, but if we do not attempt anything then the results will be more nothing in our town. Don’t all of us deserve the amenities and opportunities that other communities have worked together to achieve? Don’t our children deserve better than they have now? If we miss this opportunniity now when will another be put in front of us? Last time I looked we had more land available for development than developers in line to develop. I urge people to come to the next meeting and provide their input.

  • 4. Brian  |  March 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    I have been “involved enough” over the years that while I agree that we all should do what we can for our children, I cannot get involved with something after I have attended so many “dog and pony shows”.

    All four sites are within a block or two of each other, so what is the real discussion really all about? It is proposed to be in Central Lorain, so the real question that should be answered is where is the BEST site that will give not only the residents the best “bang for the buck”, but will foster SUSTAINABLE development around the project.

    My opinion, for whatever it could be worth, is to build the school on the property from the east side of Broadway to the railroad tracks by the steel mill south of 21st Street with a BUFFER between the two. Build the new Library on the South West corner of Broadway and 21st Street. Connect the buildings with an elevated walkway over the roads and carve out a section of St. Joes for Lorain County Community College.

    Leave the RECREATION part of the project close to the Ports property at the old Goldbergs Grocery site and build a walkway to the school over the underpass at 21st Street.

    Three PLANNED PROJECTS that can be built in phases that leaves the waterfront property available for future development and puts three projects on four corners in the heart of our city.

  • 5. Brian  |  March 12, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    In the meantime as these THREE PLANNED PROJECTS are being built, the city could work on tearing down the garbage around the three sites and make them into GREEN ZONES either for green space or land bank the property. If a developer wants to come in and build something new on the land banked property, tell them they can have the property at a reasonable cost provided they “land bank” some other crappy properties by tearing them down and trading them for city owned property. Sort of like wet land mitigation, just with blighted properties.

  • 6. Loraine Ritchey  |  March 12, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Brian as a surface dweller I think from what I understand is that the complex is joined at the hip so to speak in one spot so that operating costs etc. can be shared and facilities can be utilized on a what 8 to 18 hour day on group feeding the other..at least that is what I thought I heard last night ….

  • 7. Lisa  |  March 13, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Hey Loraine, did you see the MJ article about Site 3 this morning?
    “Along Broadway, there are nine buildings that would have to be acquired.”
    Do you remember hearing anything about this at the meeting? I thought that Site 3 was ready to go as is and that’s why everyone was being led there. I can’t believe they want to take successful businesses [Gyro House, Raymond Plumbing] and tear them down in the hopes that what we build there will bring in more businesses.
    And if you aren’t going to let me and Brian build something on each corner at 21st & Broadway, where will we put the malt shop?

  • 8. thatwoman  |  March 13, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    I was having a very dark black hole evening so I actually took something for once to help me sleep and didn’t wake up until 8:00 this morning and I feel like I am still in the dark – but then come to think of it we all seems to be….Actually I don’t remember hearing about those business.I know there was a mention of “some commercial property” as a throw away line ( as we say in the theatre 🙂

    and I think in Beaty’s ramble he mentioned something….I didn’t see anyone from those establishments in attendence saying NO did you … which makes me think that .maybe they are OK with being “moved” hmmmmmmmmmmmm ?????

  • 9. Lisa  |  March 13, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    All I remember hearing was how much more popular the Gyro House would be with a high school nearby. I wonder if those are the properties that JW was ranting about “someone” having to buy just to build a new HS?
    Come see my map 😉

  • 10. Dennis Lamont  |  March 14, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    I just might add that I have heard nothing about site3 being ready to go, every site has had the positives and negatives roughed out.. When LPA negotiated with CSX for the same railroad track , north of the NS line, it took almost three years for the deal to be completed. There has been nothing said about the extent of land and buildings required on any site. Utility removal has been estimated for site3 and none of the others. 12 million to relocate the hi-tension lines, which happens to be a facet of starbauh plan to eliminate the power plant. Nobody mentioned cost of removing and rerouting electricity, gas, telephone, sewers, roads, and traffic from any of the other sites. … and the reason given was because the sites had not been mapped out, can’t argue with that.

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