Think about it-Accountability and the Bishop(Lennon)

January 25, 2011 at 12:03 am 9 comments

Speech can segregate you from everyone by Chris Ritchey

I was speaking to another who grieves , who like me is distanced from absolute faith/organized religion and who shares the questioning as to WHY?

We both agreed to have such an unquestioning faith must be a wonderful thing and a great help to others who grieve that have such faith. I only have questions as to organized religion and no answers.

I have had more “truck” with the Roman Catholic religion lately than I had ever thought possible.

I had even thrown my hat into the ring to help save a Roman Catholic Church. Why? Because my neighbors and community ( of the Roman Catholic faith who attended St. Mary’s needed help from the rest of the non- catholic community in saving their place of worship). I respected their right to worship and their needs.

You can find the story here.
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/charleston-village-letter-mj/
http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2009/03/19/news/mj771291.txt
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/one-dead-ten-dying-and-why-should-i-care/

In one respect, a very personal regret, not a community regret- I am sorry I even had anything to do with helping – I am sorry I wrote letters of support to Bishops and to Rome to help save the old St. Mary’s, Lorain, Ohio as it turns out they enabled such pain and despair to be visited upon this family– not of their faith and not of their beliefs.

BUT as usual I have gone off on a “back story tangent”This journey into the faith of others has me wondering and the “accountability ” _ as mentioned in Part One.
I have been researching, as I am won’t to do, accountability in situations with the Bishop Lennon etc-
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/docs/boston/lennon/
and my particular situation( more on that later).

Front page today in the Morning Journal and Plain Dealer gave me more questions. It seems the Bishop has his robes in a knot ( YES! I know I am being disrepectful– more on disrespect later- it works both ways 😉

Now about the time I was going to bat for St. Mary’s , Bishop Lennon closed another church – St Peter’s on Superior Avenue -Cleveland, Ohio

Part of the congregation, over 350 souls, did not want to follow the Bishop’s dictate as he closed their church and “broke away”

SOURCE

The closing of the 151-year-old St. Peter on Superior Avenue and East 17th Street was part of a diocese-wide downsizing that saw the elimination of 50 parishes.
Without their home, Marrone and his flock leased a renovated century-old building at Euclid Avenue and East 71st Street, prompting a warning by Lennon that their salvation was at stake if they worshiped in a place not approved by him.

Bishop Lennon thwarted by these people of faith who still worship the same God, in the same way and in the same faith and beliefs are in danger because they are being threatened with “excommunication”- in fact if they continue to worship in a building not of his sanction “their immortal souls are in danger”– he stated :

“Please know that I will not approve of a priest celebrating the sacraments in any space other than an approved site within the diocese,” the bishop wrote, adding that he was concerned”for you and your salvation.”
http://www.cleveland.com/brett/blog/index.ssf/2010/03/my_letter_from_bishop_lennon.htmlStill, the bishop sent letters at the end of March of this year to each member of St. Peter’s, suggesting their salvation was in jeopardy if they conducted worship services outside of a sanctioned church.

On Wednesday, Lennon handed Marrone a letter saying the priest was engaged in “scandal” and “corruption” by saying Masses in a space not sanctioned by the diocese. He told Marrone he expected him to resign from the breakaway group within 48 hours or face “canonical action,” a warning that left Marrone with the choice of remaining faithful to his congregation or to his bishop.


Oh dear! – worshipping God, Jesus Christ, The Holy Mother and all the Saints – having faith – in a time when people are leaving the churches _ that is obvious by the fact they had to close 50 parishes in the diocese and the punishment of those that wish to practice faith- excommunication– that penalty is a bit stiff isn’t it?

In jeopardy of losing ones Salvation:

a.Preservation or deliverance from destruction, difficulty, or evil.
b.A source, means, or cause of such preservation or deliverance.
•Christianity.
a.Deliverance from the power or penalty of sin; redemption.
b.The agent or means that brings about such deliverance.

Excommunication ( whew)

Exclusion from the communion, the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal , spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation……..

Censure for the priest well that goes back to the Romans


Censoree Lennon and thumbs down!

The name and general nature of this punishment date from the Roman Republic. With the ancient Romans, in the year A.U.C. 311, we find established the office of public censor (censores), whose functions were the keeping of a register (census) of all Roman citizens and their proper classification, e.g., senators, knights, etc. Furthermore their functions were the disciplinary control of manners and mores, in which their powers were absolute, both in sumptuary matters and in the degradation of any citizen from his proper class, for reasons affecting the moral or material welfare of the State. This punishment was called censure (censura). As the Romans were jealous in preserving the dignity of their citizenship, so also was the Church solicitous for the purity and sanctity of her membership


So in order to hold the flock faithful the accountability not to their belief and faith in God / Jesus Christ/ the Bible and all the saints and preachings but because of a disagreement with “where ” the faithful worship God – they are being threatened with is loss of their salvation, being a pariah

I just don’t get it? I would think sending 350 into a religious abyss is a bit of an over reaction .

Eh? What Bishop Lenny baby ?

( I know there is that lack of respect again ) to be continued in Part three-
Bishop Lennon- Due Respect- Beliefs- The Dead and Calvary Cemetery Lorain

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Think about it: Another personal glimpse Bishop Lennon- Due Respect- Beliefs- The Dead and Calvary Cemetery Lorain

9 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Grammy  |  January 25, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    It’s amazing, with church attendance down, that a church “leader” would threaten any of his “believers” for “practicing” their faith. Weren’t the early “Christians” persecuted for their beliefs? Is this leading to the new reformation. Where in the Bible does it state that you must worship where the bishop tells you? Where is it stated that a mortal and take away your eternal salvation? Thought that was God’s judgement not man’s. How much more inflated can these men’s egos get. Maybe they need to get back to the basics of their religion instead of following the mortal rules they have created.

  • 2. thatwoman  |  January 25, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Grammy even with my limited knowledge of the Bible and the story of Jesus I cannot think where you worship and pray is as important as long as you do would be of importance. These edifices are merely bricks and mortar and it seems can bee tossed aside and “desanctioned” when the need arise, just google all the empty churches for sale and abandoned not only here in the USA but around the world. .

    To punish one for eternity for getting on your knees and praying to your God because the paperwork is not stamped in the place where you worship wellllllllllll seems over the top to me ……but then again I am not of the Roman Catholic Church. But is does seem a pretty silly reason for being in fear of losing your immortal soul – sigh

  • 3. Loraine Ritchey  |  January 25, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    So in further research and the Bishhops own words to a closed church parishioners of St. John

    In his final words to the St. John congregation, Lennon said, “You are greater than any temple, church or cathedral that can be built by human hands.”

    errrrrr but unless the building however sanctioned …..you will be in danger of losing your immortal soul ….. wish he would make up his mind and I bet his parishioners do too…………….. is it the bricks and mortar or the people ? 😉

  • 4. geepa  |  January 25, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Communication has never been a strong point of the catholic faith unless it is ex-communicated. There are obviously 350 people who don’t agree with the dioceses decision who took matters in their own hands and decided to rent their St Peter Church. Bishop Lennon would better serve his diocese by talking with these parishioners and try to find a solution other than threats of damnation. Our Catholic churches are beautiful many can not be duplicated at today’s costs most are not very cost effective in today’s world and with dwindling members many can not operate. I am certain that many were built by family member’s ancestors upon arrival in this country. The church teaches us of the deadly sins and one is gluttony, these churches are not energy efficient and are wasteful of our limited resources. Most parishioners realize this fact but most believe there are other solutions.
    I am sure that the higher ups in the Catholic Church, or in this case Bishop Lennon, can find many qualified architects and engineers willing to donate their services to build churches more suitable to today’s world and incorporate many of the treasures of the churches past. With the money saved on building “smart ” churches the amount of church closures can be reduced and a church the size of 350 can exist instead of being closed and have its priest threatened with canonical action.
    True Christians understand that threats are not what Jesus taught us in his time here on earth. Finding peaceful solutions is what Jesus would want us to do in any circumstance; I would like to think that the Bishop understands this and attempts to find a peaceful solution to this matter instead of escalating it further.

  • 5. thatwoman  |  January 25, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Well that would make sense to me – thanks for the thoughts

  • 6. Lisa  |  January 26, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    If he is, in fact, attempting to find a peaceful solution to the havoc he has wrought with his decisions and words, then he needs to STFU and quit threatening people. He is NOT God, he is just a man who gets out of bed every morning and pulls his drawers on the same way you and I do. The Catholic Church has a LOT bigger problems to deal with than 350 people who worship in an unapproved building. At least the 350 are still worshiping and are not out using their religion to take advantage of innocent children, like so many “men” of the cloth.

  • 7. Loraine Ritchey  |  January 26, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    If you check his page on the Bishop Accountability website
    http://www.bishop-accountability.org/docs/boston/lennon/

    all the documents are there

    it seems he also can be lax with the truth

    When Richard G. Lennon was named apostolic administrator after the resignation of Cardinal Bernard Law, Lennon told reporters that “he knew ‘zero … nothing’ about the extent of sexual abuse by clergy.” (See Paulson and Robinson, Lennon Promises Effort to Settle Abuse Claims.) But as more archdiocesan documents were released, Lennon’s knowledge of and involvement in abuse cases came under renewed scrutiny. (See Rezendes and Kurkjian, Lennon Gave Advice on Reassigned Priest.) A close examination of the Boston documents reveals that Lennon’s knowledge was very extensive,

    and to think I was asking this man to help with doing the right thing YEAH how dumb am I?

  • 8. Lisa  |  January 27, 2011 at 1:49 am

    Most of us were brought up to trust people like doctors and priests, so you were just doing what you thought was the right thing to do which is not dumb at all. It has been a true learning experience to witness the true colors of such people come shining through. I’ll never look at them the same way again.

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