July 2, 2011 at 3:14 pm 23 comments

UPDATE: Apparently these decision like the previous decision come through the Board of Control:

Board of Control
September 27, 2010 – 11:09 am
Office of the Safety/Service Director
Present: Mayor Tony Krasienko; Phil Dore, Safety Director

The first item was to approve the following:

Mayor Krasienko: Request from Community Development for the Service Director to execute an agreement and right of entry for fire training purposes with Cuyahoga Community College at 812-818 North Central Drive. Tri-C Fire Academy (who also trains Lorain Fire personnel) has requested potential locations to evaluate for the purposes of conducting their October “Live Burn” training program. The property at 812-818 North Central Drive is a good match for this purpose as it has good access, buffers from other properties (prior demolitions), a slab foundation, and four units that can be segmented into three separate “instructional” fires. Tri-C will obtain an asbestos survey, removal all asbestos materials, roof shingles in the building and obtain all EPA permits, board up all windows and secure property and obtain liability insurance in the amount of $2,000,000.00 protecting the City on the property and return the property after completion of the “instructional fires” completely boarded up and secured which we will then forward for demolition. Is this one of the ones that was on the list that we bid out?
Mr. Wilhelm: No. This is one of the ones that was already burn but it’s in that cul-de-sac to the right. It has a North Central address.
Mayor Krasienko: We would have to forward the agreement to the Law Director for his review, approve the liability insurance through the Law Director and we would have to get proof of all modifications to EPA.
Mr. Dore: We checked with fire department and it’s not a problem.
Mayor Krasienko: Motion to authorize the Service Director to sign the agreement pending legal review.

Motion was made by Mayor Krasienko and supported by Safety Director Mr. Dore to approve the above. Roll call was as follows: Krasienko…aye, Dore…aye. Passed unanimously.

Read this post that goes with this picture a “planned burn”


We received a flier at home from Cuyahoga Community College that their live burn training was going to be conducted at the empty house across the street. The training was on May 6th, 9th and 10th. They warned of smoke in the neighborhood and advised everyone to keep their doors and windows closed.

My first thought was why was CUYAHOGA Community College coming to LORAIN that is in LORAIN County to burn down houses for their training. For real, like Cuyahoga County doesn’t have any run down or empty houses of their own to burn down? Fine. Whatever

Maybe we could ask fellow Lorainite- used to be Mayor Craig Foltin. he has Tri C Connections why Lorain is ending up with this mess?

Craig Foltin, DBA, Chairperson,
Audit Committee
Executive Vice President for
Administration ; Finance
and Treasurer Cuyahoga Community College

because according to Ree – Mr. Howard Goldberg of Lorain Community Development Dept had this to say

Mr. Goldberg told me that once the funds were released, then there would be three or four phases of bidding out the jobs to get the demolition done. So much for having the funds to do this. We started talking about WHY Lorain would allow Tri-C to come to MY neighborhood and do this – there had to be SOME financial settlement to SOME one to make this happen. Mr. Goldberg actually thought I would believe him when he said that there was NO money changing hands and actually Lorain was in the hole with this whole situation.

I brought up the fact that Tri-C was footing the bill for the environmental studies so right there was SOME financial gain for the city of Lorain. He at first claimed to not know anything about that, and then when I wouldn’t let it drop, finally conceded that he would have to look into if THAT environmental study is good enough for the city to use before the actual demolition.

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Check out the before……….


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23 Comments Add your own

  • 1. ree  |  July 2, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Thank you, Loraine, for linking this up! I am just beyond frustrated with the whole thing. My intention was never to fight city hall. I just wanted some answers and then some action.

    Again, thank you!

  • 2. thatwoman  |  July 2, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    You know Ree I get so frustrated that TPTB decide things like “sausages of sluge” and burning down properties that then sit there – remember – the Stove Works and that fiasco …. and now we are importing destruction– Tri C – as you so aptly put it they don’t have properties in Cuyahoga County fit for studying and burning…. and they leave us with the mess…( who allowed for that happenstance) and who was the “bright eyed dim witted bureaucrat that thought this up and that it would be a good idea for your neighborhood- were City Council aware ??? I don’t care if it was beneficial for training for enviromental studies…… if you are going to do this sort of thing in our neighborhoods then also follow through with the clean up and a time line…. Let us put it this way there are certain neighborhoods this sort of thing wouldn’t even be suggested as a location.

    And I for one am tired of the “because they can”

  • 3. Lisa  |  July 2, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    I want to know what was wrong with that house.

    I want to know who gave permission for it to become a fire training exercise for an out of town group who have an entire county full of abandoned houses of their own to burn.

    The pictures through the years do not show a property that appeared to be neglected. Yes, it is on the edge of a notoriously rough ‘hood, but that alone doesn’t qualify it for demolition.

    WTF is going on here, Lorain & Tri-C? WTF?!?

  • 4. thatwoman  |  July 2, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    My guess is that since the ownership transferred to the City ( from the auditors site) then it would probably have been Community Development – now the Director was Tracy Urdija ( when did she get booted out????) the next in the chain of command would be Robert Gilchrist and then the Mayor oversees the whole dept.

    The fire service comes under Phil Dore who also serves at the pleasure of the Mayor and I would assume our Fire Chief had to have some knowledge of this happening. but as to who gave permission to burn I believe it would have to be the administration as I have talked to two or three council people this afternoon and they weren’t aware of the situation……… I would also hazzard a gues the EPA would need to be involved.

  • 5. ree  |  July 2, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    That is the fear that I was afraid to voice – did this happen in MY neighborhood because this is a poor neighborhood with more rental properties than owner occupied dwellings? Regardless, neither me as an owner or the people next door as renters deserve this. I could over look a lot, but the apathy of the Community Development department is reprehensible. Mr. Goldberg told me he understood what I was going through since he drove by this house every day. Really? Try having to look out your windows and see it. Or, sitting on the front porch, what a view. I guess that is nothing to Mr. Goldberg’s pain of having to drive by it every day.


  • 6. The captain  |  July 3, 2011 at 12:20 am

    why is he driving by it every day?????????

  • 7. thatwoman  |  July 3, 2011 at 12:33 am

    -Ree they do it because they can and who is going to complain….. and it seems when people do well you experienced that aspect as well.

    I find myself more and more amazed at the lack of “thought” behind actions in this town… do people not look at what happens next. and follow through.. how people are affected by poor decision making.

  • 8. Lisa  |  July 3, 2011 at 3:32 am

    Thanks for the link 🙂 You know I’m always happy to fan the flames [haha] but this one is totally Ree’s. Thanks to Ree for bringing it to everyone’s attention!

    I wonder if H Goldberg is any relation to the Goldbergs who own that lovely falling down building on the corner of Kansas & East Erie?

  • 9. thatwoman  |  July 3, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    My question has to be WHO authorized this “deal” with TRI- C and if according to Mr. Goldberg in Ree post

    “actually Lorain was in the hole with this whole situation”.

    WHO then was the responsible party for “costing the City of Lorain” on this project? Seems to me the thought process of that person who has to be looked at especially when we are cutting people left and right. Someone had to sign those ‘deal papers”

  • 10. Lisa  |  July 3, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Tracy L. Vecchio-Udrija was fired from her position as Lorain’s Community Development Director on Monday, May 23, 2011.

    The burn took place May 6th, 9th and 10th.

    Did the burn have something to do with her being fired?
    Don’t be surprised to see the city put the blame on her since she isn’t here to defend herself anymore.

  • 11. thatwoman  |  July 3, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I have sent an email to Council at large and the council person for that ward and police and fire chair and the Mayor asking

    according to the blog post from Ree

    the City ( according to Mr. Golberg)

    actually Lorain was in the hole with this whole situation.

    so who would have to approve this deal and why was it thought to be a good idea- is there paper work on this? Thanks Loraine /i>

    Mrs. Molnar has responded that she will ask on Tuesday

  • 12. ree  |  July 3, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    I will be there on Tuesday to hear the answer!!!

  • 13. thatwoman  |  July 5, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    I received this from Council at Large Dan Given he sengt the following to the Administration

    I heard about this mess this weekend but did not get Loraine’s blog until this AM. The questions being asked are important.

    1. Why is Tri C in Lorain?

    2. Who authorized this?

    3. I would like to see the contract . Was it reviewed by legal?

    4. Why are we torching a seemingly solid home?

    5. Why is THIS neighborhood impacted?

    6. A timely demolition should take place…what is the date? ( I would think a sensible person would have the date set prior to the fire).

    7. Who drove this issue as important to Lorain and its citizens?

    8. Was the LFD involved? LPD?

    9. How was this paid for? Were any Lorain funds at all used here? Our Fed funds?

    10. I love Howards supposed quote of “actually Lorain was in the hole with this whole situation.” How much??

    11. I am sure there are many more questions to ask however this is a start………….

  • 14. thatwoman  |  July 5, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Also I received a phone call from Mayor Krasienko this morning that calls should be made to the 7th floor with regard to this situation 204-2011 – and that the house will be taken down – I offered blog space for “the other side” of the story – not sure if I will be given the opportunity to publish anything though

  • 15. ree  |  July 5, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Wow! Thank you SO much for linking this up! I had no idea where to turn next! I am lucky to know people that know people that know the right people!

    I will be anxious to hear some of these answers tonight.

    Thank you for getting involved!

  • 16. thatwoman  |  July 5, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    No problem Ree hopefully we can get some answers that will help the view from your porch ….. my one concern is the amount of materials in the smoke that are contained during a burn especially when vinyl siding is involved. I would like those fears allayed as well…..as I am sure the EPA would have to be involved in a controlled burn

  • 17. thatwoman  |  July 5, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    My understanding is the Fire Chief will also be there with information and there was apparently another controlled burn on 10th Street

  • 18. thatwoman  |  July 5, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    it is the Board of Control that makes these decisions see update

  • 19. The Observer  |  July 5, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    It’s a sad state of affairs when the City has to sink to

    “A Fire Sale”

    to generate revenue

  • 20. thatwoman  |  July 5, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    I spoke to the Fire Chief the house did not have vinyl siding so Dioxins were not released- Tri C also had to take off the asphalt shingles from the roof and remove asbestos. I have a phone call into the EPA

  • 21. Lisa  |  July 5, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    See tonight’s agenda? It’s gonna be a l-o-n-g meeting.

  • 22. thatwoman  |  July 6, 2011 at 2:33 am

    I was absolutely disdgusted at tonights meeting and by the remarks made by Mayor Krasienko- I also disliked that neighbors of these houses complaints NOT against the Fire Dept although it turned into a Fire Dept issue instead of what it really was a Community Development issue……these people concerns were “negated in such a way ” as to cause my blood pressure to rise…….. Blog post coming…….

  • 23. ree  |  July 6, 2011 at 11:31 am

    I was just going to say what you said! Disgusting. I will also have a blog post coming today with MY views of last night’s meeting.

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