EPA- Smoke “N’ the Water

July 13, 2011 at 10:12 pm 4 comments

We have had EPA dealings lately with smokey water -sorry that would be turbid water (smokey-dark) and the brouhaha that ensued and those that may sue….


The EPA is looking out for us


The Enviromental Protection Agency– who are in the business of protecting us – see their mission statement here
and the promise of :

We will endeavor to demonstrate the following qualities in our actions:
Proactive-Effective-Connected-Expert-Accountable-Disciplined-Learning Organization-Relevant-Teaching Organization-Responsive-Innovative-Adaptive-Advocacy-Courageous

ED Note: remember “Proactive”

As readers are no doubt aware there have been some “controlled burnings” in Lorain of late-
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2011/07/02/why-is-cuyahoga-community-college-wreaking-havoc-in-a-lorain-neighborhood/the burn was not the issue to the residents caught up in the “after burn”
and listening to Chief Brown and the praises of the Cuyahoga Community College program for training firefighters I was impressed.

You can see by the photos found here
http://margareetaville.blogspot.com/2011/07/who-ya-gonna-call.html and here
the asphalt roofs were taken away , any asbestos was removed and apparently Tri C had to do a whole lot of paperwork (see screen shot of Board of Control Minutes found in the following link )

I had another burning question for the EPA
It was made clear at the city council meeting –

Cuyahoga Community College had to take out mega bucks of insurance and meet all sorts of guidelines from the EPA so no hazards or health situations would concern those neighbors who lived in close proximity to the burning houses. And burn they did 3 controlled burns on 25th street (May 6th, 9th and 10th) and 6 ( yes 6 separate controlled burns over a month and a half) on 10th. ( Where there is fire there is smoke ……..

However, I thought as I listened to the precautions taken :

that is an awful lot of “smoke” – and we know what smoke does ๐Ÿ˜‰ and pollutants going into the air of those neighborhoods. What was in that smoke?

How did the air quality in those neighbors fare during the burn?– after all a drop in water pressure can send the city into a tizz wazz with media alerts etc.
Water Boil Alert – Entire City of Lorain

What were those that lived in the vicinity taking into their lungs or exposed to during the controlled burns ?

I dutifully called the EPA- after all they gave permission -they should know right ?????- WRONG!!!!! the EPA does not monitor the controlled burns.

The air quality for the City of Lorain is monitored 24 hours a day but from the top of William Barr School, Lake Breeze Road, SHEFFIELD LAKE.

Apparently they stopped monitoring from Lorain a few years ago.

BUT since the EPA allowed the controlled burning to go on in these old neighborhoods, where houses are on 66 ft traditional lots( meaning we are clustered) surely, thought I, since the EPA knew where and when the “multiple burns” were taking place the EPA would be monitoring those burns and the ensuing ( turbid) ( there is that word again) smoke and any particulates effecting the surrounding area. Sort of proactive thinking for which they strive?????

NO! The EPA did NOT monitor of any of the burns according to the Ohio EPA.

What about lead?

said I-

my house has leaded windows -would that pose a problem should it burn?

Oh! yes it would

said the EPA.

Is it a requirement to remove lead and lead paint etc when setting fire to these older homes?

I asked

We would ask they consider removing lead based products etc. and recommend doing so but it is not a restriction.

said the EPA

Ah! then it follows so since no one monitors the burns we have no idea what went up in smoke and since water etc. is used to put out the fires where does that water go as it runs off these homes that are burned numerous times? What does THAT WATER contain I wondered as it seeps into the ground and down the storm drains from multiple burnings – you see the EPA didn’t monitor the burnings so we will never know what was “not contained” and “controlled”.
I do know the training firefighters facility at Boston’s Logan airport treats the smoke ‘n’ the water.

The water from fire training is collected and treated with a carbon filter to remove any contaminants. Usually the treated water is reused on-site during subsequent fire training exercises.

But no such filtration can be used on our “controlled burns” in Lorain and Lorain County – Nope straight down the old drain and into Lake Erie – Good job we won’t be having any more of these “burns”!

SMOKE “N” THE WATER….or just another TURBITY TALE ……

NOTE to the City of Lorain there are many “architectural salvage companies” who would come a strip out any worthwhile assets such as crown molding, solid wood doors,base boards,oak floors, corner cabinets, turned porch spindles etc.just google “architectural salvage, Cleveland” maybe then we could get recycling “green points” and then maybe we could get some of those recycle funds from Lorain County ๐Ÿ˜‰ just a thought!

Thanks to Lisa from Buster’s House for map and licenses


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4 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Peter Potamus  |  July 14, 2011 at 2:15 am

    Reading the above, I’m now more attuned to the second half of the mayor’s comment to the effect that this was being turned into something it isn’t.

    Mayor Krasienko… everything I’m reading seems well sourced and cogent.

    Your comment implied some form of deception on the part of these two or three bloggers.

    Mayor Krasienko… if we lined you up next to these three bloggers.. who of you would you say had been engaging in deception?

    1) These 3 bloggers with their postings? ..


    2) You with that comment about this being turned into something it wasn’t?

    I’m wondering now if the Fire Chief did fall on the sword and take responsibility for someone else’s mess.

  • 2. Dennis Lamont  |  July 14, 2011 at 10:59 am

    One thing that you left out, and I have seen it in several papers in Ohio. Folks that want to “get rid” of a dwelling donating it as a fire practice site. Burn it right down to the basement and get a tax deduction to boot. Saves all that demo and dumping money.

    The second thing that goes along with what the EPA has done, is to ban the burning of leaves (a signature of the end of autumn). Leaves that are not picked up wend their way into the lake leaving that wonderful brown ring around the lake, quite noticeable at Lakeview, adding tons of organic material to further degrade lake water.

  • 3. Lisa  |  July 20, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Step one of the demolition process has happened:

  • 4. Lisa  |  July 20, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I wonder if they will have to hose these houses down as they are demolished. Mmm mmm more yummy contaminants in the water ๐Ÿ™„

    Did you see what Kendra found?

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