Guest Blogger- T Paine – Free Speech-???????

August 11, 2011 at 10:15 pm 6 comments

ED Note Once again I have made space available to Guest Bloggers: Thomas Paine- in the OPEN FOR DISCUSSION category- This post, as with the previous post is actually the thoughts and opinions of more than one individual compiled under the nom de plume T- Paine.

https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/open-for-discussion-guest-blog-the-limits-of-charity-t-paine/

The problem EVERYWHERE is that everyone that speaks up for civility is dubbed a racists or hater when in fact they are trying to stand up for THEIR rights as citizens and taxpayers.

https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/the-duelists-weapons-of-choice-words-and-who-is-your-2nd/
When did it become wrong to be a law abiding tax payer?

Why is it ok for individuals that are not tax payers to take over the public facilities, bringing in alcohol, trashing restrooms and generally behaving badly? Why is it wrong to speak out against bad or illegal behavior? When did we give up the right to free speech because we are not minorities or because we are not homeless or disadvantaged in some way?

Why are we chastised for being law abiding, paying taxes and demanding the same from those that share our community? Why is it wrong to expect that the police enforce existing laws that help make a community a place that people WANT to live in?
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/a-very-civilized-affair-well-that-is-meeting/
Laws are not created for people that know how to behave and treat their fellow man. Laws are created for people that simply don’t believe in the rules of civilization and do not know how to behave. When you break the law you should expect to pay consequences of that action. The lack of respect for the law and for public facilities as well as good behavior are becoming unbearable and will either cause the death of this community or create animosity that results in a violence. Neither is an acceptable option.
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/this-is-london-and-the-rest-next/

Those on public assistance need to realize that they have given up some of their rights by becoming wards of the state. They need to respect public property and understand that the check and care that they receive is a gift from the working / tax-paying, public. It is a gift that has been taken for granted by many.

Public buildings and spaces are for the enjoyment of the ENTIRE COMMUNITY. Bad behavior causes good people to avoid the areas where they feel unsafe or are threatened or exposed to unsavory actions of a few. It is NOT WRONG to stop the illegal or uncivilized behavior.

artwork by Chris Ritchey


Why must every discussion or disagreement be stifled by playing a “race card” or “disadvantaged card”?
http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2011/07/29/robert-gilchrists-hearing-on-voter-residency-postponed/

This action stifles discussion and only creates greater animosity between the parties. This letter is illustration of this issue. As in the letters written during the revolutionary war because of fear of reprisal; the writers must remain anonymous.

ALL sides need to stand up and acknowledge that our community HAS A NUMBER OF PROBLEMS involving those that disobey the criminal laws and the laws of civility.

We are trying to have a “politically correct” and “safe” discussion and not offend anyone involved.

Open and frank discussions need to happen without fear of reprisal, public humiliation or accusations of discrimination. Only then can we begin to arrive at solutions that will help ALL of those involved.

Thomas Paine

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6 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Dennis Lamont  |  August 12, 2011 at 11:23 am

    First of all, you have to either define “taxpayer” or substitute “citizen”. All the citizens of this country pay some sort of tax while over half the families and a lot of companies pay no income tax.
    Second of all (IMO) when you don’t see yourself as a citizen you don’t have any respect for other citizens or the space around you, so if it is trashed, it is no big deal because “you” are not a part of it.
    Thirdly (?) leave public assistance out of it and look at haves and have-nots, they were around and rioting way before welfare.
    In the fourth place, because of the way the media operates, and I will use London as an example, we have no idea of what is behind the riots for several days but the “free speech” begins immediately and is often way off base. The screaming of folks that don’t have enough sense to come in out of the rain is free speech, the rattle of the rabble-rouser is free speech, the exaggeration of the media, is free speech, the bigot, the folk out at three sigma and all that is free speech. The end result is a lot of atmospheric disturbance and totally meaningless, without worth, accomplishing nothing.
    When a gang of 50 or so Harleys roars through your community at any time of day rattling your windows and disturbing the peace…is this free speech? are these welfare folk? or are they just halfwits that care not for others. The roaring radio and other interferences. We the People just don’t care or consider how we use the space around us and its effect on other people ….free speech ???? More like lack of civilization.

  • 2. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 12, 2011 at 11:51 am

    True Dennis you bring up some valid points and lets us take the example of the Harley Davidson riders rattling your windows and making noise……. would you be less likely to mind if those same riders were raising money for cancer with a ride through the neighborhoods…….

    I think what i see is the common thread of rights and speech is FEAR ………when the results of others speech or actions cause you to fear– for your and yours way of life, your business, your well being, your values and in cases like England and those riots your home safety and very life –
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2025097/London-riots-Notting-Hill-mother-day-mob-came-crashing-in.html

    and that is what we have here also in this letter a fear – real or perceived for speaking their minds – FEAR another four letter word!

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  • 3. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 12, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    I am having monitor problems ( hit and miss) but I am also spending the day in my least favourite place Cedar Point SIGH the things I do for a two year old…….. Loraine

  • 4. joe smith  |  August 12, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Loraine,

    You are going to have to do the Cedar Point thing again!!! I don’t think he will remember this visit…….

  • 5. Dennis Lamont  |  August 12, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Funny thing, the riders on charity runs tootle and rumble right along without breaking any eardrums. The quarterwits winding first and second are the ones rattling windows. Mr Macho ….missing something ?

    Fear is a terrible thing and the folks that feed on it really have a screw loose. Maybe they start as bullies in school or even earlier learning at their parents knee or see it as a survival tactic when there are no adults to look to for support. Great case in the paper today, with a horrible ending. When violence becomes the only answer for a nation, state, city, town or village or person, no matter who is promoting it, it’s time to pull back from the brink and rethink what we are doing. Right now it is Dodge City out there with no solution in sight. Tanks are a heck of a solution to anyones problem.

  • 6. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 12, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    I survived kiddie land at Cedar Point- I think I should have charged for the entertainment I gave to those in line as I sat in the back of the Snoopy Truck cars…….. and we won’t even begin to tell you what happened trying to get into the caboose of kiddie train _ not a pretty sight………but Gavin insisted

    However I went actually to meet up with a friend from Canada and her daughter and grandchildren so it was good but I am so glad 2 year olds still have to come home for the nap!!!! I don’t suppose I have been for over 20 years the kids always had season passes and they went with their Dad and Uncle …….I hate it, hot sweaty and crowded not my cup of tea…… although I am told it is better in the evening .. we will see – 10 bucks to park $50 bucks to get in whew… 24.99 for juniors and seniors.thank heavens I am old…… 🙂
    as for the prices of the food wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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