Thoughts from a mind overdosed and low on grief- Asphalt Plant -Lorain

August 24, 2011 at 7:53 pm 18 comments

UPDATE: PLEASE SEE COMMENT NUMBER 7 ( AT THE END OF THIS POST) FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON THE ASPHALT PLANT PROPOSED FOR THIS CITY


Ok I admit it my mind these past days is somewhere out there. Try as I might it has been absolutely horrendous trying to stay in this world’s reality and I haven’t been too successful in that endeavor.

As I feel the sucking pull of the maelstrom of emotions pulling me into the depths I try to think of everything and anything not in any way associated with my unreal reality.

Hence my thoughts on the Asphalt Plant.
Residents, council want to keep asphalt company out of Lorain (with video) Morning Journal
http://morningjournal.com/articles/2011/08/23/news/mj4941618.txtI was going to go to the meeting but emotional incontinence kept me away. I read the comments and the articles . Surprising what quality of life people in this community would be willing give up for a few jobs.

Oh I know the argument , we have progressed , we have filters and scrubbers
Scrubbers- Oh dear that visual popped into my head – an old scrubbber

(english slang . A coarse and sexually amenable or promiscuous woman. Derog.
2. An untidy, slovenly woman. prostitute)

and of course that visual segued into I wonder how many professions benefit (thereby jobs) by those scrubbers – just off the top of my head…….

Editorial Cartoon: Trying to get Legal Prostitution on the Ballot – The Cincinnati Beacon

1. police the vice squads definitely and they will need a vehicle
so
2.car sales
3. mechanic
4.uniforms and in the case of undercover , more training so
5.training personal
6. manufacturing for such things equipment radios computers guns Oh gosh!
7. medical- between the issues of such a dangerous lifestyle Dr. emergency room technicians
8. Pimps lets not forget them, they have the cash to spend in casinos, hmmmmm
new cars and clothes
9. Banker
10. Lawyer
11. Judge
12. Bail Bondsman
13. Let us not forget parole officer
14. Oh and hotel clerks and the
15.maid one a month coming in to change the sheets
16. Shoe and Boot clerks
17. Counsellors
18. pharmacist
the list grows like topsy!

Yup seem those “scrubbers” have advanced ….. can’t do without them ๐Ÿ˜‰

But just as it reprehensible to feed off the life of another human being it is just as reprehensible to me to take a chance with the lives and health of our children in the vicinity of the those “asphalt scrubbers” for the sake of a few paltry jobs.

Lorain don’t prostitute yourself and remember the “pimp” is always the one that benefits the most and can feed you a sweet line to get your body and soul on that street.
The maelstrom calls……………….

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18 Comments Add your own

  • 1. denise aka mozart  |  August 24, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Hey! I just saw those two in the park. I figured they were up to nooooo gooooood so I called the police, gave a discription, and I heard on the scanner…the call came from a 10-96….what is a girl to do?

  • 2. Dennis Lamont  |  August 25, 2011 at 12:16 am

    If you Google ;
    41.082489, -83.403879
    on Google maps you will see a Carter Lumber yard just outside of a place known as Alveda, OH. They are assembling what looks like an asphalt plant kit in the closed lumber yard. Since we drive by there quite regularly I will keep you informed of the proceedings. Having smelled the one in South Lorain it should be interesting.
    If you Google
    40.776569,-82.512329
    on Google maps you will see Kokosings asphalt plant outside of Mansfield ….I have honestly never seen this one running

  • 3. Geepa  |  August 25, 2011 at 2:26 am

    I guess the question should be how to balance jobs and quality of life. We ask our leaders to provide us with jobs, jobs that pay enough to raise a family. If those jobs are for blue collar workers, the ones that pay a decent wage, well those always or nearly always come with concerns. Power plants burn coal that form acid rain, steel mills emit many gaseous emmisions none of which are good for quality of life and some Hydrogen sulfide is highly flammable and foul smelling. The Ford plant always smelled of paint, and if you lived close to the shipyards there was the constant sound of machinery. So when an asphalt plant, or limestone crushing plant or a hog slaughterhouse wants to locate within our borders it is usually met with NIMBY. So where is the balance of jobs and quality of life? How does a high end housing development crop up so near to an area that is zoned industrial? When the community is screaming for jobs so the citizens can find work, no matter how many they employ, where do we locate them as to not offend?
    How do we become job friendly?

  • 4. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 25, 2011 at 3:06 am

    Good point Geepa…… we have zoning laws decided by the residents / council. administration decided when they passed ordinance 1173. that there were certain “businesses” that aren’t worth the risk even in a heavy industrial area
    http://www.cityoflorain.org/files/documents/files/1173.pdf

    Manufacture of explosives/ fireworks- stockyards- open garbage dumps- bituminous concrete aka asphalt plants. …… this is what Mayor Krasienko wanted changed. I don’t think so

    NIMBY this crap doesn’t stay in my back yard it spreads – no fence will contain it it will be born on the winds- 6-10 jobs ( which in and of themselves could cause those employees issues- am I prepared to take the chance nope………. because in the long run it doesn’t add up on the plus side economically and the risks are too great.

    You are damned right Not in my backyard or anywhere else in Lorain- I am tired of this city taking the left offs, the left overs and the dumping ground of desperate…….. and the fact we are apparently so desperate we will sell our common sense for a few bucks…… we are seeking millions in grants to clean up the mess along the Black River and jumping for joy when we get those dollars for all the brown fileds caused by industry of yesteryear.. .and they want to revisit the past thinkiing nope ….. we are prostituting ourselves for a few hundred thousand bucks…..not worth it –

    I don’t have all theanswers but I know this isn’t one of them

  • 5. Geepa  |  August 25, 2011 at 3:31 am

    But it is in Lorain. There are residents that live near Days Dam that are just as close or closer to Kokosing as the proposed plant on Baumhart Road and yet never a sound for the health and welfare of those residents.
    I am not advocating that we should allow Asphalt Plants within our borders, I am only asking if there is a difference in health concerns or environmental issues by the number of jobs? Does it make it OK for a steel mill to pollute our air because they employ more than 10 jobs? Does that lessen the concern?
    Why do we scrutinize asphalt plants but are blind to the jobs that have done more damge to our health and our environment?
    Why doesnt that ordinance include steel mills that pollutes our air we breath and dumped toxic waste into that river that we are now cleaning? Why is it ok for that industry and not an asphalt plant?
    My post was more about what is acceptable to this community?

  • 6. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 25, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Well Geepa as I said in my post I am surfacing on this one and the post was specifically about the Asphalt plant – is it Ok for Lorain to be a high priced call girl /escort than a street walker ? No it isn’t dressed up differently but the same thing.

    I for one wasn’t around when steel came into Lorain or Ford for that matter. ( and look at the price we now pay sigh) Initially the river was used as transportation in the early days it was the highway for goods……… because the railroad by passed this town “and the town died aborning” it was the Chicago Fire and once again using the port and transporting the sandstone that helped Lorain out.

    We cannot keep making the same mistakes.

    The problem with these large polluters is that once again trust is out the window with government by the general population EPA fines pollution but big corporations build that into their budgets. Cheaper to pay the fines than install and maintain standards that they know they can’t meet

    US and the world are also guilty of NIMBY they dump our used electronics and decommissioned ships and tankers etc into their ports for dismantling – we we pollute their( 3rd world) rivers and land with our cast offs causing such diabolical illnesses … but do I want an electronic dump in our vacant land , do I want ships being dismantled on say the pellet site because of easy access…… even ship building had its issues … a lot we didn’t know about ……..we hopefully have learned our lessons from the past – you don’t spend millions to clean up just to do the same thing over and over again.

    Have you seen the EPA water report for Lake Erie and the fact that we shouldn’t eat fish out of it more than once a week……..it was in the Chronicle .don’t get me started

    I don’t get paid the bucks to develop a MASTER PLAN for this city ( and don’t even mention that latest regurgitated waste of paper of a few months ago- hell even I could have written that for free…….

  • 7. thatwoman  |  August 25, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    A reader sent me this off the blog but I believe the info should be shared :

    Thought you might like to see all of the asphalt ‘links’…included are the following points: the plant Krasienko is ‘touting’ has been sued by the state of ohio for its’ violations, the ongoing problems in
    Westerville Ohio with these same plants, and the ‘poundage’ and type of pollutants that this plant admits to that it ‘pumps’ out into the atmosphere per year…it is so astounding…

    and unlike he says, it does NOT compare equally to what a ‘bakery’ or gas station air pollutants.

    Possibly people would like some ‘links’ that they can go to and read for themselves…this is ‘scarry’ that anyone could ‘recommend’ this type of thing for our city. They zone areas as residential and after people have built their homes and moved in, they change the ‘rules’ and want to change neighboring zoning to actually ‘injure’ people

    Listed below are the ‘links’ for information regarding asphalt companies in general as well as specific asphalt companies. Some of the specific links do not always work, so listed are ‘google’ titles that will lead you to the links to pull up specific information.
    1. Google: shelly asphalt epa, scroll down to ‘out of 41 Shelly asphalt plants in Ohio, the Tremont plant’ click on link, scroll down to tremont article and click the link that says and is underlined ‘biggest polluter’, the chart passed out will be there.

    2. woodsmokehaz1.wordpress.com

    3. http://www.epa.gov/ttnchie1/ap42/ch11/related/ea-report.pdf: or google: hotmix asphalt plants emission assessment report, 42 pages…pertinent are pages 14,15 in document and all tables to include pages 18,19, 29-38 in document

    4. http://www.ohiocitizen.org/campaigns/asphalt/asphalt.html

    5. http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2007/07/31/shelly.ART_ART_07-31-07 or google shelly asphalt columbus dispatch state sues

    6. Google shelly asphalt, or shelly asphalt violations, etc for more links

  • 8. Geepa  |  August 25, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Very interesting reading and as I read I noticed the date was 2007. I could not find anything recent for any violations in Westerville or anywhere else in Ohio.
    Interesting to note that action was taken in Westerville, home of Governor Kasich. I do not recall in my visits to Westerville any areas that would be zoned industrial as we have here in Lorain. In fact I read where the case of children with nose bleeds lived across the street from one of the plants.
    Once again I am not trying to make any case for any asphalt plant. But I also read that the EPA handed out temporary permits without any inspections, is that still the case today? Are the standards being enforced yearly?
    Maybe I missed a link or two but I would like to read something more recent. Maybe the EPA has cracked down on Asphalt plants and change withing the industry has happened. We have had one bad experience in this community and we base all of our thoughts and debates around one bad apple.
    As long as we have asphalt roads we will have asphalt plants, somewhere these plants will have to exsist. Due to the nature of the materials(heated) and the costs of transportation to be competative they have to be located close to worksites. There are many roads in Lorain and the surrounding cities so they will be located in or near Lorain. So is it better to have it where we have control over the beast or shall we allow a township with little control as is the case with Kokosing in Sheffiled be our watchdogs for our citizens like those that live in the Homewood area? If the Shelly Company decides to locate directly across the street outisde of Lorain’s borders what voice do we have in the operation?

  • 9. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 25, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    How about this Geepa – how about we share the “phalt” we could purchase a couple or more of the “mobile asphalt plants and rent them out to neighboring communities and move them around
    ๐Ÿ™‚

    http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/226553448/Mobile_asphalt_plant.html

    the question is with regard to Kokosing when it went into Sheffield did the citizens or residents of that area “kick up a stink” at the time…….. if not then??????? well then they only have themselves to blame

    and also now when people look to buy a home do they look at the area and still decided to buy to live there – ( not rentals) how many owner occupied sales since the building of that plant?

    What happened to the property values? If the property has taken a trackable hit since the building of that plant then Sheffieled should be asked to compensate for that and the plant should “cough” up ( pun in intended . I believe the citizens near this proposed plant and also our neighbor Vermilion have expressed their concerns have they not? Shouldn’t they be heard? by Lorain even though Lorain may have been ignored by their neighbors ๐Ÿ™‚ Aren’t we the better community for so doing?

  • 10. Geepa  |  August 25, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    In regards to Kokosing, I have never heard or read of any concerns as we read about Stoneco in Lorain. In fact I have never heard or read of any complaints or concerns by Lorain residents with regards to Kokosing. Once again it adds to the point as it is in those links you posted, if it is located away from residential neigborhoods could it be less of a concern? Google Kokosing in Sheffield and look at the proximity to Homewood. You will notice that it is much closer to residents at that location than the proposed location.

  • 11. thatwoman  |  August 26, 2011 at 12:37 am

    From the reader….

    if they (Geepa) follow number 1 on the list to (google for the epa report) it is 2009 and will list by poundage all of the pollutants. I could not get a ‘direct link’ for this report, but following the prompts will take them there, it is the report made by Shelly to the epa and lists their company’s pollutants, by plant.

  • 12. Paula Tobias  |  August 26, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Because we haven’t heard from the people around Kokosing doesn’t mean there isn’t an issue. They like many others may have voiced concern but it fell on deaf ears.

    And just because you can’t smell something doesn’t mean it’s good for you.

    Remember this is for a handful of jobs that are seasonal and the neighboring businesses are not in favor.

  • 13. Geepa  |  August 26, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    I read that report and it tells of pollutants discharged in all of the 41 plants that Shelly operates in the State. I did not find any citations based on that report in any of the links he posted. In fact when I googled Shelly and EPA Violations I found two EPA violations and they happened in Westerville as a result of washing operations and waste water discharge and that was in 2004.
    Exactly Paula, we have an ordinance that restricts Asphalt plants in Lorain, but issues that are of a concern to those residents that spoke out against this latest proposal are no different than the residents that are being exposed today in the Homewood area. Ordinances are only enforceable within municipal boundaries; if you would check the proximity of those residents to that asphalt plant I believe you will notice that they are much closer to those exposures. So why are we not speaking out for those residents?
    It still leads back to my original post, what is acceptable in this community? Be it Asphalt plants, limestone crushing plants, steel mills or auto manufacturers, all come with some form of concern. We fought placing a high school along a river, an educational complex with room to add sport facilities with reasons like the land is too precious. I have to ask to precious for what? What will we accept?

    There is a reason that I 90 runs south around this city, we had merchants on Broadway that felt building a Mall in Lorain would destroy downtown.

    Funny how things turn out.

  • 14. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 26, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    The problem as I see it Geepa is Lorain is a reationary planning and zoning community- we are so desperate for a few jobs we will accept the crumbs thrown our way.

    I can’t help what happened to the Homewood residents- did they complain- anyone know????? and to whom and what happened.

    Who among us would move into an area within 3960 feet ( 3/4 of a mile) of an asphalt plant…. would you – would you KNOWINGLY put your children in proximity and then again supposing you had purchased property check out the area been told there will never be a “chemical factory/ fire work explosive factory/ asphalt plant ever in this vicinity and the 5 years later OOOPS sorry old chum we rezoned….. and they wonder why there is no trust in the government agencies etc. and the general population……

    Tell you what let us have a Master Plan both economically and “physically for the city” and I am sure the population would tell you what they would find acceptable just don’t ask ask me to decide on the whole serving unless I can taste the dishes………. but I know I don’t like uncooked meatballs ๐Ÿ™‚

  • 15. Geepa  |  August 27, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    I believe we are a reactionary citizenry to anything that may have a negative connotation to the industry that seeks to locate within our boundaries or anything that is perceived to be a negative connotation.

    Be it a high school that will not pollute anything into the air or a mall that threatens our business owners along a highway, a Wal Mart. Home Depot, a housing development located on farm land, or a housing development located in woods. Although I agree that some may require a zone change, many were zoned for the type of development that was being proposed.

    You say there isnโ€™t anything you can do about Kokosing, well those links you post in this article tell differently. It was the work of the Ohio Citizen group that made change in Westerville an activist group that took action even though that plant was located outside of the boundaries of Westerville. But maybe Kokosing is operating contrary to many beliefs of the people who spoke out against all Asphalt Plants. Being a good neighbor and following all the EPA regulations in regards to Asphalt plants. Maybe the City of Lorain restricted a business based on one bad apple. As long as we have asphalt roads we will have asphalt plants.

    So is it any wonder why we get the crumb proposals? How would that mall have changed the scenery here in Lorain? What future could we have had with a highway that came to Lorain instead of around Lorain? What would our lake front look like today where Settlers watch is located had we moved the water plant over 20 years ago nestled within Kings Woods? We may be asking those same questions again in the future as we see container ports being built along that river with land so precious

  • 16. Dennis Lamont  |  August 28, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Just let me add:

    http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2011/08/essroc_cement_silos_at_dock_20.html

    http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/nazareth/index.ssf/2010/11/essroc_cement_fined_more_than.html

    Seems endemic ….beautiful lakefront/port property without a plan

  • 17. Paula Tobias  |  August 29, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Point was made and I’ve learned that companies would rather pay $50,000 than lose a million.

    How can the EPA be at every site every day testing? After the damage is done how do they measure/test?

    I’m afraid people give the EPA more power than they really have or use.

  • 18. Dennis Lamont  |  August 29, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    At the steel plant there are two stations that monitor 24/7. With the Hot end down there are no facility emissions but this is how your largest polluters are “controlled”. I don’t know how many people realize that the plant production was cut in half in order to keep emissions within the EPA standards. This hobbled a plant with two large blast furnaces that needs volume to be profitable.

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