Mark Puente – says NOT SO!!!!!!!

November 25, 2011 at 6:33 pm 23 comments


I sent a link to Mark Puente less than an hour ago to the blog post
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/hey-plain-dealer-what-now-is-there-a-p-u-in-puente/

within minutes I received the following from Mark:

Loraine,

I was NEVER a confidential informant for the Lorain Police Department.

I asked if I could quote him on that and here is Mark’s response:

Please attribute the statement to me:” I was NEVER a confidential informant for the Lorain Police Department.”

Round three anyone ?

And thank you Mark for responding so quickly .

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  • 1. Denise aka Mozart  |  November 25, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    is is tough not being able to post Loraine…So reading Mark’s response to you…that means the police are lying?!

    I would think it would be in Mark’s best interest to sign an affidavit stating his denial. He has alot at stake, and If I were he, I would be trying my damndest to prove that I was not responsible. His reputation is now on the line and in question…and what does this say about those Officers who gave Depo…Was that raid merely a hunch on the Chief’s part?
    I am so fricken sick of the lies….I have many adjectives that would describe my detest! Who the hell are we supposed to believe. OMG!!!!!!!!!

  • 2. thatwoman  |  November 25, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    I don’t know Denise according to the PD article emphasis mine

    Detectives Thomas Nimon and Andrew Mathewson named Puente in sworn statements given as part of a federal lawsuit…..

    and according to the depositions obtained by the Plain Dealer the detectives said Lorain Sheriff Rich Resendez told them Puente had named Montelon as the letter writer. Nimon and Mathewson used that information to obtain the warrant to search Montelon’s house.

    Now I am by no means an attorney BUT If in fact the information given to the detectives as to the identity of the informant is incorrect and incorrect information was used in obtaining a search warrant – I would think there could be a back lash of some sort.

    Mark Puente and the 4th estate has taken a beating over this I would think it would behoove them to clarify just exactly what happened . Obviously the detectives were going ( according to the PD article) on information given to them by Lorain Sheriff Rich Resendez so maybe Mr. Resendez needs to clarify ..

    more than one man is on trial here in the court of public opinion ;)………

  • 3. Peter Potamus  |  November 25, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    1) Mark, what in your opinion is the actions/events that are causing the police to claim that then?

    Perhaps we could ask those two police officers and then you guys hash it out here… you could also sue them for libel.

    What have you told the Plain Dealer editorial board (your bosses) about this development?

    2) Mark… were you perhaps one of the reporters that went toe-to-toe with Jimmy Dimora?….

    A news organization would be hypocritical if they were engaged either in “fraud” or “racketeering” and then criticized the Cuyahoga County Commissioners.

    Mark… at the risk of KBS & Loraine thinking that I’m even MORE of a “looney tune” than they do at present…. my solution to the problem of “corruption” is to have 100% of the American Public be “corrupt” and get a brown envelope containing ill-gotten money each week. “Corruption” would then, of necessity, collapse in on itself.

    The sad part of that equation — in the Cleveland, Ohio area — is how LITTLE WEALTH/MONEY it takes to corrupt a Northern Ohio politician…. couple that with the fact that there are JUST NOT ENOUGH Tiki Huts & Big Screen TVs for every now-corrupt household on the North Coast… so here’s my idea —-

    …are you old enough to remember those kits sold in the early 1970s that turned VW Beetles into Rolls-Royces?

    We can lessen the supply/demand problem in a similar vein by having corrupt politicians and corrupt businessmen offering Gazebos as bribes to each household in Northern Ohio and INCLUDE AT NO EXTRA CHARGE a “Tiki Hut Conversion Kit”…

    …”brilliant”… don’t you agree?

    3) Mark…. I’ve asked in this blog about Plain Dealer, Morning Journal & Chronicle Telegram newspaper delivery drivers who use their own personal vehicles to deliver newspapers not carrying the required “commercial insurance”…

    ….Mark, the actuarial data used to statistically set insurance the Pizza Delivery Industry will establish whether the corporations’ company-owned stores AS WELL AS franchisees are either committing “fraud” against the carriers of their general liability policies’ “non-owned auto provision” riders OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE they are engaged in “racketeering” with this nation’s insurers.

    There’s a journalistic “scoop” for you… except the newspapers are engaged in the same racketeering with their drivers and maybe their insurers if the papers’ general liability policy contains a “non-owned auto” provision/rider.

    My solution is to have Jimmy Dimora get a paper route and use his personal vehicle & then we bust him & the Plain Dealer for the crime.

    4) Mark…ask the PD Circulation Manager what % of PD route drivers who use their personal vehicles are “commercially insured”

    Is it 0%

    Then call Tom Skoch (MJ), April Elliot (MJ), Julie Wallace (CT) and Andrew Young (CT) what % of their delivery drivers are uninsured.

    Is it again, 0%

    Then let’s add in the % of Pizza Delivery Drivers that are uninsured…

    0% again, perhaps….

    All of these august corporations/individuals involved either in “fraud” or “racketeering” and not a journalistic peep/quack to inform the public….

    …and then you newspapers do what?

    ….give yourself Ohio Pulitzer awards in journalism????

    …hypocritically chastize/lecture politicians in your editorials….

    …kind of sick if you really DO BELIEVE that you have journalistic integrity, correct?

    5) one motif that is totally annihilated is the denial monkeys’ assertions about “conspiracy theorists”l to wit, ….

    …”if the [conspiracy theory] were actually true…. so MANY people would have had to have been involved that it would have “leaked out” to [the public] through our journalistic or tv news agencies.

    The Pizza Delivery Industry has been involved in this since Day One…tens of thousands of managers not older than 20 or 23 years of age asked/compelled to be part of this fraud

    6) @ KBS & Loraine…. right now, Mark is PROBABLY taking the same Berlitz Language Course that Tom Skoch and Julie Wallace have both taken in order to properly pronounce the word “Sayonara” to the readership of thatwoman’s blog….

    …you two have been quite chatty… maybe you two + Paula Tobias can publicly agree that Tom Skoch, Julie Wallace & Susan Goldberg are the ABSOLUTE LAST individuals in the world to be handing out awards to each other or accepting them…

    …and perhaps you could ALSO agree that the “too many people would have had to have been involved” motif is annihilated.

  • 4. aka mozart  |  November 25, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    test

  • 5. thatwoman  |  November 25, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    WOW Peter- I don’t think you are looney tunes 🙂 you have concerns and in my world no one is completely right or wrong…..and I would be a hypocrite since I am probably a couple of pennies short of a dime anymore. 🙂

    I think it will be unlikely that Mark will be responding ( I was surprised to be honest he did ) I am sure the attorney’s will be guiding any outgoing information on this – we will have to wait and see I guess………. in the meantime we have the LCS issue still on the stove 🙂

  • 6. Loraine Ritchey  |  November 25, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    please ignore just a test

  • 7. Peter Potamus  |  November 25, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    “WOW Peter- I don’t think you are looney tunes…”

    Well, that’s your own fault, isn’t it? You should get out & socialize more at one of our regularly-scheduled meetings”

  • 8. Peter Potamus  |  November 25, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Nothing that stops Mark from commenting about the “racketeering” or “fraud” by the nation’s newspapers and pizza delivery companies.

    Also, attorneys or not…. these are subjects of journalistic import. The PD went toe-to-toe with Jimmy D and Frank Russo.

    You can’t launch yourself headlong into editorial criticism and then when it comes time for Susan Goldberg of the PD to “belly up to the bar” have her and the PD hide behind “privacy concerns” or concerns about the attorneys (absent a “gag order”) or not commenting while an investigation is ongoing.

    These so-called reasons are SHIELDS used to evade responding alot of the times.

    So we have an Old Testament SHIBBOLETH of sorts here…. Mark, you can certainly talk about whether the circulation manager KNOWS that none of his/her drivers are carrying the required “commercial insurance”, correct?

  • 9. aka mozart  |  November 25, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    Well Loraine, Next on Tues at 2pm Dennis Will will give his depo in the Federal court. What will come out of his mouth…I have read the depo of the chief..so it will be interesting to see what Will says. This mess is such muck, that it is almost impossible to even see the truth into the pool of “lies”. Perhaps, Will will take the 5th…but that might come back to bite him.

    perjury:the wilful giving under “oath” of false testimony.

    oath: declaration that one speaks the truth.

    police: enforces the laws and keeps order

    reporter: one who gathers news and write accounts of matters and events.

    disgusted: denise caruloff

  • 10. Loraine Ritchey  |  November 25, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Peter as long as you serve mint sauce with the lamb and not jelly at your meeting I will bring the “nut rolls’ 🙂

  • 11. Peter Potamus  |  November 26, 2011 at 12:54 am

    …always looked like jelly to me.

  • 12. Peter Potamus  |  November 26, 2011 at 12:54 am

    ..where can we read the depositions?

  • 13. Peter Potamus  |  November 26, 2011 at 1:03 am

    Denise wrote in part, “…This mess is such muck, that it is almost impossible to even see the truth into the pool of “lies”. Perhaps, Will will take the 5th…but that might come back to bite him.

    perjury:the wilful giving under “oath” of false testimony.

    oath: declaration that one speaks the truth.

    police: enforces the laws and keeps order”

    Now I’m EVEN MORE interested in that tape Amber Bronish secretly recorded without Cel Rivera’s knowledge regarding the Nancy Smith/Joseph Allen Head Start case

    Brad Dicken of the Chronicle Telegram has supposedly heard the recording and I believe the US Department of Justice in Cleveland currently has the tape.

    Did Cel Rivera actually tell Amber that he believed one of his detectives planted evidence at Joseph Allen’s home?

    I mean we could eventually get to the point where defense attorneys could successfully argue that the testimony of a Lorain Police Officer should NOT ENJOY the currently-automatic assumption of being both “reliable” and “probative”

  • 14. aka mozart  |  November 26, 2011 at 3:37 am

    Peter..no depo available. Tapes are in Washington. I do not recall Cel telling amber that he believed one of his detectives planted evidence at joseph allen’s home….i would believe that everything will come out in the wash, if we have the stoamch for it all.

    The Nancy smith/Joseph Allen case still makes me sick as to what happend to those two people. I don’t want to even get into that case.I am hopeful thou that she would get a new trial or something, so that the whole truth can come out. I am sure she has a good team of attorneys..anyhow…
    how did all of this get so bad…was no one minding the henhouse?

  • 15. Peter Potamus  |  November 26, 2011 at 5:29 am

    “how did all of this get so bad…was no one minding the henhouse?”

    The ancient Greeks stated that people get the government they deserve.

    The Athenian Statesman, Solon stated that there can be no democracy unless a governmental injustice visited upon one is felt by all—

    — Solon wasn’t talking about a feel good type of involvement… instead Solon was saying they’ll shoot & pick each one of you off one-at-a-time… hang together or hang separately.

    Not all of Amber’s secretly recorded tapes have been heard other than by Brad Dicken of the CT… the comment ostensibly made by Cel Rivera IMMEDIATELY caught my attention in the CT Comments section.

    I pressed REPEATEDLY ad nauseum for weeks for more info on that one discreet tidbit…everybody clammed up & Brad never uttered a peep NOR DID Julie Wallace who occasionally commented

  • 16. Loraine Ritchey  |  November 26, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    It is very difficult to separate fact / fiction / personal perspective and or agenda ( especially in “comments sections”) in the media forums especially under the nom de plumes and who is who.

    Just look at the fact checker postings. Oh my! …. I am not sure what the answer is or whether Peter you will ever get the answers to your questions ( if attorney’s are involved I think not 😉

    Frankly I am finding the fact I cannot access “my own writings” from the old WoM blog and word of mouth blog the basest form of censorship errrrrrrrrrrggggggg. I have gone through three computers now and lost most of my intial data on the first one that went phhtttt. soooooooo maybe the answer is somewhere out in cyberspace becuse even my memory has gone phht since my son’s illness and death…
    as I covered so much of the situtations back them

  • 17. Peter Potamus  |  November 26, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    …this commenter had previously given correct esoteric information about the tapes….

    … i would not have pursued the issue with such vigor had the individual not previously displayed (a couple of times) some proofs hidden within the pudding…

    …and as we all know, Loraine… the proof is where?

    …it’s in that pudding

  • 18. aka mozart  |  November 26, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    and where there is stink…there is shi+!

  • 19. Brian  |  November 27, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    The answer is written between the lines. Mark said he was NEVER an informant for the LORAIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. The information provided to the two LORAIN POLICE DETECTIVES was reportedly provided by Rich Rendez who worked as a Lorain Police officer at one time, but now works for the Sheriffs department.

    It is reasonable to suggest that Mark may have talked to Rich at some point in his investigating for his stories, Rich is an experienced police investigator that may have turned the interview around and gained information from Mark that the reporter may be unwilling to admit.

    If Mark revealed to Rich that Joe was the informant and that Mark had first hand knowledge of it, it is no longer hearsay. Here lies the problem. Where is the “evidence”, ie police reports or records from the investigation where the two police officers actually wrote or recorded the information from Rich and did Rich actually make out any type of report or recording of his conversation with the reporter?

    It’s all supposed to be there according to the rules of evidence of the Ohio Revised Codes…

  • 20. Loraine Ritchey  |  November 27, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Brian said:
    The answer is written between the lines. Mark said he was NEVER an informant for the LORAIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. The information provided to the two LORAIN POLICE DETECTIVES was reportedly provided by Rich Rendez who worked as a Lorain Police officer at one time, but now works for the Sheriffs department”

    I agree Brian I hope that Mark clarifies by including the Lorain Sheriff’s Dept and Mr. Resendez in that statement because as you and I know lawsuits can hinge on just one word such as the Norwood Eminent Domain case “deteriorating” and in Lorain the CRA —- “UNLESS” ( sorry couldn’t resist 😉

    It would behoove Mark to sign an affidavit to the effect he wasn’t a source to anyone involved in law enforcement period and I would think the attorney’s when they depose other witnesses including I would assume Rich Resendez they do so under “oath” because either the journalistic reputation of Mark is tainted or law enforcement one or the other has issues attached ….. and if it turns out to be law enforcement then I would think the search warrant obtained would be suspect and the ripple effect from that could be huge …. if it is the journalist then the black eye will go to the 4th estate…… not a win win situation for either the 4th amendment or the 4th estate SIGH

  • 21. aka mozart  |  November 27, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Well….we will have atleast 2 more depo’s…Tues is Dennis Will, and hopefully Rich before the years end. so that will add more meat to the stew…
    The chief’s depo was about 150 pages. Mark can do a simple affidavit or he give depo right there in Fla. If he is not the blame, he needs to make sure he can offer the proof…this is more than he said ..she said..

    .you have someone from the sheriff’s dept that went on that raid…(in which my opinion)..he should not even have been on…and officers stating he is the source of info re; Mark. Someone is clearly lying, and either party it is costly to them.

    What a tangled web we weave, when we partactice to decieve. I believe this is just the beginning of what is yet to come. We shall see. As I was told from our local tony..”.no more free passes”..was he refering to me?… or them.

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