Oberlin Avenue Tree Removal and Replacement Meeting

March 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm 11 comments

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I was very pleased last night. Although the subject matter was very difficult to deal with, the loss of 75 trees along a thoroughfare , I felt I was watching how government “should work”. There was an open dialogue between the citizens and the city officials. The questions were asked and answered civilly and without angst. Concerns were addressed and noted, explanations as to why and why not were fully explored.

Although there weren’t a lot of participants, for once we the citizens could not say we weren’t given any input. The information about the project was in the newspapers, blogs and electronic media ( using email lists) BUT apart from that every resident received a hand delivered notification as to the project and the meeting .
The Chronicle Telegram covered the meeting and their article is here:


Copies of the plan and tree types were handed out to those attending :
The pdf files for the master plan and types of trees
can be found here
Tree Planting
Tree Planting March 2012

Types of trees:

tree selection

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  • 1. Brian  |  March 16, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    I am glad you thought the meeting went well. I guess the city was prepared enough to come conveniently unprepared to answer an important question about the trees they could have reasonably expected to be asked.

    Would the city build a casino with our tax dollars next to city hall? The answer is no because they know they can’t.

    Can the city tell the little food place in city hall to start serving mudslides and whiskey sours instead of sodas? Again, no they can’t.

    Would the city plant trees in the trash lawn knowing that they are already over 24 inches tall when planted and therefore illegal? Sure they will because no one on council cares about the laws and as long as council approves the development plan everyone has sovern immunity. I was kinda sorta, no, I was REALLY HOPING… NO, I should have went to the meeting and DEMAMDED that outdoor showers be put in the development plan under the trees along Oberlin as long as they are at it. That would “kick up” the visual appeal just a little as one drives by…

  • 2. joe smith  |  March 16, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    I was impressed with our city officials and the contractor being proactive. Mr. Timko did good job. The concerns of those residents in attendance seemed to be addressed.

    City Council must follow through and kept on task.

    I think the Design Review Committee’s imput should be sought when any major change like this happens in any neighborhood in our city.

    Last but not least I hope Renee’s neighborhood get some new trees soon!!! I can still hear the sorrow in her voice.

  • 3. Loraine Ritchey  |  March 16, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    I agree Joe – 🙂

  • 4. Loraine Ritchey  |  March 16, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Brian I am not sure of your point- the trees are not being put back on tree lawns until either this fall or next spring and the legislation as it stands now will be discussed hopefully before anyone does anything “illegal” before that – The concern as to replanting trees under the current ordinace is of course part of the re planting issue. I certainly hope the city can address this issue to everyone’s satisfaction . I don’t think showers along the blvd would add to the ambiance but it might help water the grass and landscaping 🙂

  • 5. Brian  |  March 16, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    I don’t think the ordinance is going to be rewritten. Blah Blah Blah, Harborwalk has lots of illegal trees, someone was gonna take care of it…

    Blah Blah Blah about the trees that were planted along Broadway. Yes, now Provenza gives a verbal legal opinion stating the trees even though they are obviously over 24 inches and have bark are now legal because he said so. Nothing has changed but a few of the players.

    Now Blah blah blah about trees on Oberlin Ave. Startin to see a pattern here now?

    Remember the guy that worked for the schools and they cut his tree down on Lakeview? His tree was illegal…

    Most of the people on council, were on council then, and are taking their possibly third ride on this Merry go Round.

    My crystal ball says nothing gets done then it passes as an emergency with no time for discussion.

  • 6. Loraine Ritchey  |  March 16, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    EMMMMMM Brian I must be dense I am not understanding the issue……. sorry ….. I am still not sure …. are you saying that…. they will change the ordinance without discussion? It has been published in the Chronicle I would assume that should anyone be interested in having the oridinance discussed they can contact their respective council person ?

    Not sure Broadway is the same thing as a tree lawn ( there isn’t a tree lawn on Broadway at least as far down as the Journal that I can remember and a ways past that. So I am not sure to what you are referring. The only thing I rmember with the trees on Broadway was they wanted to replace them when they were doing the stamped road project ( you were there and mentioned some of the issues at the time) and Ediie Edwards asked Pat McGannon what trees were they replacing the old ones with ( they were apparently overgrown and had not been maintained) so they wanted to replace them with a tree that was more friendly HOWEVER if you remember they found out they would be replacing the trees with the same thing “honey locust” that were already there. It was sent back to Pat .and I believe nothing ever came back and the grant for the trees expired???? so the ones in the discussion that night are still the same ones that are there now

    The person re his tree was Dean Schnurr and he wanted compensation as they mistakenly took down his tree if I remember correctly and I think the tree was there before the ordinance .. as are a lot of the trees that are now on Oberlin avenue…

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  • 8. Lisa  |  March 17, 2012 at 1:34 am

    Just to make sure that I understand this correctly… a whole lotta trees are comin’ down, new sewer lines to be laid under eventual new sidewalks, new trees planted in the treelawn, job security for generations of city workers to come. I know what has happened when the roots of the tree and bushes in my front yard have interfered with my sewer pipe. Planting new trees alongside new sewer lines will eventually result in the same problem all along Oberlin Avenue. Trees and poles begone. If you want a tree, plant it in your own yard.

  • 9. Brian  |  March 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    I believe the physical and astetic value of trees far outweigh their costs to maintain as most communities in our nation have not outlawed trees that grow over two feet tall. With that being said, here is the quandry, the trees in Lorain have been neglected for so long that many should have been replaced many years ago AND the city doesn’t want to deal with trees for a multitude of reasons.

    Trees have roots that can enter crumbling sewers so instead of fixing the sewers it is cheaper to cut down the trees. Trees suck up lots of ground water at deeper depths lowing the ground water table and reducing storm water infiltration into the very sewers that are already overloaded.

    Working on water lines and taps are much easier when there are no trees to deal with. While Columbia Gas and other utility companies seem to have no problem working around or dealing with the trees, the residents of Lorain have been conditioned that our city does not deal with trees. I noticed this week in Elyria a tree was removed from my mothers tree lawn AND the stump was removed by their city workers and Lorain is littered with dead tree stumps. That issue alone tells the residents not to expect anything more from the city.

    I am not sure what exactly was published in the papers but I am guessing that it was about Oberlin Ave and not the tree ordinance. I would hope that the ordinance would be rewritten, as it can be easily done by redefining what an obstruction is considered to allow a certain number of trees to be planted per amount of frontage and prohibit shrubs and landscaping the block sight lines of vehicular traffic. If the city were to define how far any new trees had to be planted from water and gas taps they could do that also, but I just don’t see the city doing this because taking care of trees and providing a service to the residents cost money.

  • 10. Loraine Ritchey  |  March 17, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    You are right whereas other communities especially in England 🙂 maintain their trees and landscaping and green spaces due to the benefit Lorain I suppose does not have the manpower or the money — I don’t know –

    I do know that trees have been lost that were planted in rememberance of the victims of the tornado in Veterans Park I guess people forgot over the years….. and if a tree did need to come down one should have been replaced – they weren’t. But what was important to citizens in the last century doesn’t seem so important nowdays.

    Here is what was said about the ordinance in the Chronicle

    The water line work isn’t expected to begin until late summer or early fall, but the trees have to be removed before April 1, when Indiana bats begin nesting in trees. The project is expected to be completed in the summer of next year.

    Some of the new trees, which will be 8- to 12-feet high, may be planted as early as this fall, Timko said.

    City Council members first will have to amend an ordinance that states, “no bush or shrub shall be planted in that portion of the street or highway between the sidewalk and the curb known as the tree lawn, which will grow to a height greater than 24 inches.”

    I don’t have the answers Brian- I was more concerned about some of the CVSI residents that are elderly and will be losing shade and not having airconditioning to see what can be done…. and I believe that issue we working on…… but at least everyone was notified ( or at least the city tried their best to notify people and to give them their say…. that doesn’t happen too often in the past.

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