Debasing Debate – Romney- Obama – and Editoral’s comments

August 14, 2012 at 12:08 pm 79 comments

There are sometimes when I wake from a dream I wonder did that really happen- is it a memory or just another one of my poor brain’s attempts to make sense of my world and thoughts?

I had such a dream last night and yes this one was a dream and it made more sense to me , fractured and emotional as it was, than the situation and day happenings that caused the “filing away” of the day by my brain.

Yesterday I had a “sick ” headache – aka migraine – which was not helped at all by the continuous beep, beep, beep of the machines pointing the bricks at the old Irving School across the road. The machine starts at 7:30 and as it crawls along, sloth-like, it is accompanied by the most insidious beeping until 4:30 pm. This has been going on for a couple of weeks and my only salvation is that it will be over with , I hope, very soon.
Between that and the Romney / Obama ads ripping at each other every few minutes on every tv station- Yes guys I am fed up with the lot of you, all those ads have done to this Independent is turn her completely off the election …hmmmmmmmmmm political strategy ?????????????? Yesterday, I wasn’t sure what was causing more distress in my world.


Having only just retrieved my computer back again – Yes the Geek Squad and I are becoming fast friends) I was made aware of a “debate” ( and I use that word loosely) happening in the comments section of the Morning Journal and Tom Skoch’s editorial-

THE EDITOR’S COLUMN: Ryan right man to make election stakes clear

There are as of 7 this morning 266 comments – most are debasing, vitriolic and cowardly as they spew their “thoughts” through fake identities impervious to accountability such as this little gem (pulled at random)- and remember this is was supposed to be about a choice for Vice President

I’m a sick pig, while you’re so full of anger, you take glee in public displays of affection with someone of the same gender, telling yourself that you’re enlightening the world that my kind has messed up, knowing in your heart that you’ve not won the day until you can make some poor innocent bystander throw up on the sidewalk out of revulsion.

So on that wonderful “thinking(???) out -loud, worthy???? of publication comment – back to my dream that woke me up in the wee hours of the morning.

In my dream I had been asked to speak at a gathering, I informed the chairperson that I may not be a wise choice as I could be quite controversial-

Oh that is fine we like to hear the other side , we are open minded- we love a good debate etc


But as I began my speech ( tempered for my audience) even in my dreams I know that people don’t REALLY want the unvarnished truth- I was attacked verbally from the floor by someone ( who shall remain nameless in this dream of course) who can push my anger button and did so – I let fly with the “unvarnished truth” and what I really thought only to have the Chairman and panel chase me from the room – screaming like a mob of …

Oh! yes commenters – who, like anaerobic bacteria destroy and eat away at the dying /dead carcass of true civilized debate and causes a stench from the mouth.

When dreams are reality based???? This election is becoming as annoying as beep, beep, beep, beep and those that debase debate are becoming a force silencing those who would share an opinion attacking with caustic and blistering personal insults anyone who differs. Such is the case in my world this morning and my waking brain isn’t make much sense of it all.


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  • 1. gramster1  |  August 14, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Calling the items “debates” is such a misnomer. Be that as it may, I just wish the candidates (when officially candidates) would just tell me what they plan to do, how they plan to do it, and the impact it will have. Stop tearing down the other people, I have a brain, I can think, I can hear what is said and am smart enough to figure out impact on my situation. I can decide which is the lesser of the two evils put forth and go from there! I agree, the negative ads just shut me down.

  • 2. aka/mozart  |  August 14, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    i couldn’ t read many more of those comments on the mj. Just rants of half crazed posters….i frankly do not know how to escape from it all….just in your face everywhere..i think we are in big trouble there is no winning one to cheer on….no one that is making any sense…..when i c a penny now days…i pick it up…someday soon…i just might need it…..p,s…..where is that teacher that was teaching mandirin…..beep…beep…beep…..

  • 3. aka/mozart  |  August 15, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    ED NOTE: This comment is from Lorain Dirt and reposted – it is an example of the type of comments being posted re peoples political beliefs- and very sad in my opinion-

    “While Mr. Branham strokes the imaginations of the vitriolic right, calling for the removal of Obama, and instigating McCarthyism on all his political opponents, he carries on with a very young, underaged impressionable gay youth. Does Branhams audience know he is gay? Of course not. Because if they did, they wouldn’t have him. So I think it IS appropriate for his Lorain audience to know the op-eds they so enjoyed are being written by a “sodomite” or a “pervert”, as they would call him, certainly behind his back, if not to his face. The idea Branham would choose to be a pauper for the violent, bigoted right, knowing if they had absolute power, they would kill him and his boyfriend is just preposterous. Next op-ed, Branham, announce your sexuality, and see how it goes, if you are so proud. Lets see how accepting and understanding your audience is”!

    I do not know who this is..but i thought it was a comment that should be viewed….it was posted on got dirt comment section.


  • 4. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 15, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    I edited this Denise to show that it was a copy and paste comment

  • 5. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 15, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    I don’t know ( unless they choose to tell me for some unknown reason) who my friends are having sex with or if indeed they are having sex at all…… – I really don’t care – whilst I understand the premise that an individual has been an outspoken supporter of a candidate that has an issue with a lifestyle of the supporter- isn’t that his business?

    and to use the argument of ESTER CRUMSKI ( there is a name for you 😉 on Lorain Dirt

    “So I think it IS appropriate for his Lorain audience to know the op-eds they so enjoyed are being written by a “sodomite” or a “pervert”, as they would call him, certainly behind his back, if not to his face”

    is nothing more than a back handed insult masquerading as an “argument”…….

    pervert – a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable especially in sexual behavior

    The word is derived from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in chapters 18 and 19 of the Book of Genesis in the Bible.[1

    so who decides what is acceptable- the Ester Crumski of the world??( whoever that may be 🙂 based on a book written just a couple of thousand years ago? used for centuries by priests and popes who had more than their fair share of ignoring what is acceptable

  • 6. aka/mozart  |  August 15, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Amen Loraine….Mz. Crumbski…sure has some big balls!

  • 7. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 15, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    ahhhhhhhh or no balls at all 🙂 tennis anyone

  • 8. Andrew Branham  |  August 15, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    I have lost some faith in humanity over this to be quite honest. While these insults and harassment simply fuel my fire and keep me fighting, it also shows me how hateful people still are toward the LGBT community. I thought Lorain was the melting pot of diversity….the international city…..the city of acceptance. I guess I was wrong.

    I should not allow a few bad apples to spoil the bunch, but I have received some extremely hateful insults. Joyce Early sent me one of the nastiest emails I have ever received. Loraindirt continues to target me for no reason other than they disagree with my opinions and feel that a gay man can’t be a republican. They have thrown every dirty insult and stereotype possible at me via MJ comments, loraindirt comments, or emails directly to me on FB.

    I fight for what I believe in because that is the kind of person I am. I believe everyone deserves equal rights and I will always fight for that. I believe everyone has the right to their opinion and the right to free speech (so long as it does not break any laws).

    Again, this has made me more hungry to fight for a cause I believe it. That being said, I am disappointed in a few in Lorain who chose to be hypocritical bigots and spread hate.

    The most interesting piece to me was that it was the Republicans that came to my defense in this mess. It was the conservatives that stood up for me and sent me comments of support. The liberals, who supposedly stand for acceptance and diversity, either chose to not say a word or added to the insults.

    As 99.9% of Lorain does, I am simply going to chose to take the high road and not read that trashy website that only a handful of people read anyways.

  • 9. aka/mozart  |  August 15, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Perhaps that is the way they get their jollies fuled….but no merit to their words as they do not even have those balls to stand up and use their own name…cowardly lion….meow..meow….here kitty kitty….
    .most folks know where they stand with me…i cant stand the chief…and i cant stand mr. Giardini….two people with power that abuse in my opinion…other than that…most are in the shade of grey.

  • 10. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 15, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    I too, am sorry Andrew- I honestly don’t know what is happening to Lorain and not just Lorain- a lot of people have stopped speaking out because not only do we have “falling on deaf ears” but we also have the” mighty mouths of muck” hiding behind annonymity.

    As readers of the mj see what has happened to you as they ( like me read and keep quiet rather than face the tirade that may come back at one. So a healthy debate gets lost ……. I have no answers but I am sorry things have escalated this far…… people should be able to have an opinion , a reason for their choices but only if the majority of any one community agree apparently..

    And for those interested in my label “menopausal woman” with razor like tongue and sharper claws. 😉

  • 11. aka/mozart  |  August 15, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    So…is this comment made to andrew’s face..,,,or behind his back..? Ester is speaking on behalf of “they”?

    “So I think it IS appropriate for his Lorain audience to know the op-eds they so enjoyed are being written by a “sodomite” or a “pervert”, as they would call him, certainly behind his back, if not to his face”.

  • 12. Andrew Branham  |  August 15, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    There is no Ester – it is another fake name an alias. None of these people have the guts to post as their real name because they are ashamed of what they post. Most are liberals that talk out of both sides of their mouth. “Yes I support gay rights until you are a republican”. They only care about votes – not people.

    I sign EVERY SINGLE post with my real name. Unlike most on the MJ website.

    They are all probably Joyce

  • 13. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 15, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Well Ester Crumski certainly doesn’t come up on the search
    for Ohio or surrounding states 🙂

    And you are correct they haven’t the guts to sign their own names to their “thoughts” for the most part whcih is why this blog gets very little in the way of comments either sign in as a real person or if you have to have a pen name due to job etc. protecting family members from the likes of the people who are vindictive I have to know who is writing and I do……. but even then I would moderate personal attack without “so and so is a crook” they would have to tell why and give some checkable facts………

    I am taking property owners to task but it is all public record as is the
    court cases sited… on a personal note some of the people that I write about such as the Bishop Lennon, Father Divas and the Lombardi a control group of 19…. I have that documaentation of what the did and it is from my perspective – which I have made abundantly clear….. but it is also under my own name……. All you really have to take with you in the end…………

  • 14. Andrew Branham  |  August 15, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Ha – I get it! Someone that knows me sent me a bunch of legal documents on Joyce too. I guess she has two foreclosures in process and two lawsuits against her (and garnished pay from Invacare). She is a piece of work.

    I have no idea why she is so mean and hateful but I am going to let it rest. I have no need to go any further with it. She obviously has some serious problems and I think she probably is just an angry/depressed person. At any rate, I couldn’t care less what she posts. I would be surprised if 10 people read that website per month.

  • 15. aka/mozart  |  August 16, 2012 at 1:54 am

    “”….i guess no need to say more…done…i’m OUT>>>lol>>>>……….

  • 16. Andrew branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 2:06 am

    Yes – it is now confirmed that loraindirt is indeed Joyce Early! Once Lorain learns this – she will not have an ice cubes chance in hell to win the school board

  • 17. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 16, 2012 at 11:31 am

    ED NOTE:As a note and clarification – with reference to Mr. Branham statement the information is part of a public record but that particular financial history was quite a few years ago. Since then Ms Early has run for two public offices and ran a succesful petition campaign re a tax issue. Of course as always Ms. Early is welcome to give her thoughts.

  • 18. Andrew Branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 11:43 am

    The fact is – and have the exact same IP, server, and host. It is basically like a 99.9999% DNA match.

    This is the women who wants to be a school board member???

    Not likely –

  • 19. Andrew Branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Here is the supporting data:

    Domain Name: LORAINDIRT.COM
    Registrar: ENOM, INC.
    Whois Server:
    Referral URL:
    Name Server: NS1.JUSTHOST.COM
    Name Server: NS2.JUSTHOST.COM
    Status: ok
    Updated Date: 25-may-2012
    Creation Date: 07-jun-2011
    Expiration Date: 07-jun-2013
    IP Address: Exact match to Registrar Whois Updated 19 hours ago
    =-=-=-= Registry Whois Updated 10 hours ago – Refresh

    Registrar: ENOM, INC.
    Whois Server:
    Referral URL:
    Name Server: NS1.JUSTHOST.COM
    Name Server: NS2.JUSTHOST.COM
    Status: ok
    Updated Date: 29-may-2012
    Creation Date: 15-mar-2011
    Expiration Date: 15-mar-2013
    IP Address: Exact match to

    Name Servers:

    Creation date: 15 Mar 2011 18:39:00
    Expiration date: 15 Mar 2013 13:39:00

  • 20. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 16, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Thank you Andrew for the documentation ( longer version) on this , as I stated this is the way I choose to administer this blog – then readers know they can trust the information given and rumour and speculation are left to be published elsewhere 🙂 Loraine

  • 21. geepa  |  August 16, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    This city is the 10th largest city in Ohio and is known as the International City, the melting pot of nationalities, not of sexual preference. A few hateful comments on a website with the sole purpose to discredit and ruin the reputations of a select few without any basis of fact. Those who read and post are in the minority, most don’t know of it’s exsistence and the few who are aware use it as entertainment only.

  • 22. Andrew Branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Geepa, I am not sure I am following your post. So are you saying that Lorain is not or should not be accepting of gays and sexual orientation? Or am I reading your post wrong?

    “, not of sexual preference”

  • 23. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 16, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Can’t speak for geepa obviously but knowing who it is and how accepting he is of everyone . I think what he is saying at least to me is that Lorain prided itself on the diverse nationalities and sexual preferences isn’t in the equation of Lorain on the “whole”… and the “whole” are not indictive to the few who are so hateful on the varius blogs.geepa have I got that right?

  • 24. Andrew Branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Lorain has had its fair share of hardships. African Americans clearly know what racism was back in earlier times. The Puerto Ricans were treated poorly when they first came to Lorain to work in the steel plant. My point, Lorain knows what bigotry is and for the most part they don’t stand for it. Racism, sexism, or gay bashing. At least this is what I expect from such a diverse town. If anyone should understand, the people of Lorain should not tolerate hate.

  • 25. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 16, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    I agree but Andrew Lorain is not the Lorain of old as I research her beginnings – she is fast fading and becoming the “give me give – I am alright jack and screw you majority.. and I am entitled ……. also there is such an anger here that is becoming frightening……..

  • 26. Andrew Branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    I agree completely Loraine! That is why I wrote my initial article in April (that Lorain needed to rethink its mindset). I love the town, I love the people, I love the diversity…..but it is crumbling. It is entitlement-town USA. It is run by a bunch of bullying democrats. People fear speaking out. People even fear not voting D. It is a shame.

  • 28. aka/mozart  |  August 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    i am just not voting period..thanks to all those commericals bashing one another…another hate…right into our homes…just sick of it all…just leave the medicare alone so my mother does not suffer..and f the rest…politicans lie…all of um.
    .yes.having a bad day today…..worried about my friend going in for surgery tomorrow..i need to focus my thoughts to positive thinking…all this hate is making my stomach sick….but remember…i do detest the chief and tg..that much is true…lol…:) power and greed have no place in my heart or my mind.

  • 29. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 16, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    I read it 🙂 I have to stay I try and steer clear of party politics as my readers are aware…. I play with what ever cards those that “party” deal me and was one of the first true independents in this town – had to sign at the back of the book back then and I find things wrong with both the major political parties and the way things “stack up” … I prefer dealing with people one on one and that is how I vote although honestly this latest election finds me even more depressed than usual as to choices…… course Andrew I could always ask her majesty to take you all back into the fold 🙂 – we could dump the coffee in the harbor 🙂

  • 30. geepa  |  August 16, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    I thought I was clear but yes Loraine you have it right, being an international city, a melting pot of ethnic backgrounds doesn’t have anything to do with sexual preference. Narrow minded individuals comes in all shapes, sizes, and colors and it doesn’t matter if it is sexual, race, or religous beliefs. Jealousy, ignorance, prejudices comes in all walks of life. I don’t believe that being an international city would make our population here in Lorain any more tolerant of sexual preferences than most.

  • 31. geepa  |  August 16, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Oh and I really don’t care what a person does behind close doors as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone and is done with mutual consent. I am from the school of thought that we all are somewhat different and it is much easier to accept each other for what we are than to try and belittle them and expose how shallow one really is.

  • 32. Andrew Branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Thanks Geepa. I appreciate the support.

  • 33. Andrew Branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    I am now learning how bad Lorain politics is… is truly insane. Here is from liberal Tim Sloughton’s Facebook page. This is the 4th comment down regarding me and the charity work I do with a Thai orphanage.

    “Ooooo…..theres pics of him at some 3rd world orphanage. someone start a rumor saying he rapes children in other countries.”

    Next comment – “I bet that hack editor deletes the comment”


    Loraine I am sending you the screen shots so you know this is legit.

  • 34. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 16, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    who is Tim Sloughton??? see in England we have Labor, Conservatives and Liberal parties ( among others) I once voted for the “Screaming Lord Such party 🙂 so forgive me who is this person Sloughton

  • 35. Andrew Branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    It is actually Tim Stoughton (typo on my part). Tim is a liberal dem activist in Lorain.

  • 36. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 16, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Never heard of him– guess we don’t run in the same social circles 😉

  • 37. Andrew Branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    I think people are missing the point! It doesn’t matter who he is. Do you see something wrong with ANYONE saying they were going to plant a rumor about someone – a rumor that disgusting – SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH ME????

    This is what the Lorain liberals do. This is it. Anyone that does not see something wrong with this shit has issues of their own.

    Yes, I am angry (not at anyone here). Yes I am disgusted. This is shit that only happens in movies…..

  • 38. geepa  |  August 16, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Well Andrew I am as liberal as they come. Like I said I could care less what a person does behind close doors, For you to place a label on all liberals makes you as guilty as the ones you accuse. And to go a step further, there are many involved in Lorain Politics that do not follow that line of thinking, How does that thinking make you any different?

  • 39. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 16, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    well Andrew I see your point but you too are labeling him as a liberal democrat right?????.I have no idea who this person is or from whence he speaks- does he speak for all liberal democrats???I as I said I do not get involved in party politics but I know most of the people in this community that are “involved” in both major parties or the people who try to make this a better place or who are in the public eye. I just haven’t heard of him which is why I asked because people of that ilk who would stoop as low as these face book people – aren’t worth the attention- but IF he was speaking on behalf of a ‘party etc. then I would know who to call and make my distaste known – and I would.

  • 40. Andrew branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Well Geepa – everyone harassing me is from the Lorain Dem party except Joyce who is a libertarian. Am I labeling people – no I am telling you who is harassing me. Are all liberals gay badgers and haters – no! But I have seen more than my fair share of this in Lorain. Why? Because I disagree with the institution which is the Lorain Democratic party. They are attempting to intimidate me to shut me up. It won’t work.

    I am surprised you are not outraged by the comment that someone was going plant a horrific Untrue rumor about me. That is the issue here….partisan politics aside

  • 41. Andrew branham  |  August 16, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Or – if anyone wants the screen shots I will be happy to send them – Loraine has them as well

  • 42. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 17, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Yes I do have the screen shots , and it is disgraceful that these “facebook buddies” would stoop to this course of action- it is abhorrent , damaging and is a putrid thing to do to anyone.

    My point is I have never heard of these people in the hierarchy of the Democratic party ..and I have been around the block a few times. And as angry as you must be and have a right to be and to have your name purposely slandered in this way – I can’t blame every person that is a liberal democrat for the disgusting behaviour of the few ( and to be honest I am not sure what a liberal democrat is- as I said I don’t get involved in party politics)

    You have made this public after being attacked unfairly( imho) on Lorain dirt .com( the post now removed) I have the screen shots of the Tim Stoughton Face Book “conversation” I will be happy to share them with any of the Democrats that read this blog should they wish to follow through with their own party.

    It is about all I can do

  • 43. Andrew branham  |  August 17, 2012 at 12:30 am

    Thanks 🙂

    It truly is sad that people stooped to this (but they are not my friends). They are people that don’t like my conservative positions.


  • 44. geepa  |  August 17, 2012 at 12:47 am

    Truthfully I don’t know this person nor do I believe he is an activist within Lorains Politics, but with that said why would I be any more outraged at comments directed towards you and not at anyone else? I read many untruths posted on many sites about people I know. You took a stance and now some are pushing back and not all of the push back has to do with your sexual preference Andrew, I disagree with all of what you believe but not because of who you choose as a partner. Some of those people you choose to take issue with are some of the people I respect the most. I am aware of the many charitable donations, or the time dedicated to the many causes made by these people to make this world a bit better. The very thing you are upset about is the very thing you are just as guilty. You have labled all liberal deomcrats as attacking you based on what you said by using your sexual preference. I am a very liberal democrat and never attcked you but I do not agree with anything you have said about the Democrat party in Lorain.

  • 45. Mark Teleha  |  August 17, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Hey Andrew, I’ve been reading your letters at the MJ, have commented on them numerous times, and saw what was posted at Early’s site. Quite frankly, I couldn’t give a flyin’ fart if you’re gay or not. Matters not one iota to me. Doesn’t change my opinion of you, and I highly doubt it matters to most of the folks that agree with you there, either. Keep on writin’, and we’ll be there with you. Joyce has always been a poison pen. Some things never change.

  • 46. Andrew branham  |  August 17, 2012 at 1:15 am

    Geepa – I ashamed for you! You are yet another example of why I detest the Lorain Democratic Party!!

    You can’t even admit that a person – from your party – is caught trying to plant a HORRIFIC rumor about me raping kids —- is 100 % wrong, out of line, and disgusting! Your failure to do so makes you disgusting! Anyone with any sense would be repulsed by such behavior.

    You people are amazingly hypocritical and very sad! I actually feel sorry for you!

  • 47. Andrew Branham  |  August 17, 2012 at 1:32 am

    Thank you for the kind words Mark – I really do appreciate it. For the most part the support has been amazing. It is just the really terrible things that a few have done that makes me upset and angry.

    To be fair, Tim Stoughton has recently sent me, what seems to be a sincerely apology for his comments on FB. It does not make it right, but it is at least something

  • 48. geepa  |  August 17, 2012 at 2:44 am

    I dont know that person to state what his political affliation is Andrew and why would I want to draw a conclusion based on what you say he is? And I have never seen his comment to be outraged over. I am having a difficult time understanding what my party affiliation has anything to do with rumors spread over the internet on a blog called Lorain Dirt, Think about that for one moment before you start on any tirades about anything, A blog called Lorain Dirt how credible can that possibly be?. Finally you chose this fight, you came on the journal website with your letters and comments, once you started to get some push back you want to blanket everyones thoughts under the umbrella of Lorains Democrats. You live in the real world, you know how narrow minded people react and think, what did you really expect once you chose this fight? Correct me if I am wrong here Andrew, but is it the republican party that is against same sex marriage? Is it the party that states that the bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman? No need to feel sorry for me, I will be just fine, it is you who has affiliated with a party that refuses you a right to share a life with whom you choose. It is that party that refuses you the same priviledges that married couples share. I feel sorry for you.

  • 49. Andrew Branham  |  August 17, 2012 at 3:12 am

    Holy crap Geepa, you really are one of them aren’t you? You can’t see through your D colored glasses for even a moment.

    Let me spell this out for you very simply – A very outspoken member of your party made the following statement. You don’t need to see it (although you can if you wish) ~ I am telling you about it as is Loraine (who also has the screen shots). “ooooo….theres a picture of him at some 3rd world orphanage. Some one should start a rumor that he rapes children in other countries.” This was NOT on Loraindirt. It was posted on Facebook.

    Clear enough for you Geepa? Do you find that comment offensive or outrageous? Or do you agree with those type of tactics?

    Anyone with half a brain would stand up, regardless of what your political views are and say, “That is wrong”. Simple. You don’t. You spin it every way. Am I pissed at Lorain Democrats right now. You are God Damn right I am. And rightfully so.

    Everyone has the right to free speech. I will NEVER relinquish that right as an American nor will I be intimidated by your party.

    I am not a Republican Geepa so you have not done your homework. I am a registered independent who has very liberal social values and very conservative fiscal viewpoints. I am not aligned to either party. I am a free thinker.

    The bible states that God does not condone same sex marriage…not a poltiical party. Now you are boxing people in. All gays are not liberals and democrats Geepa. You are smart enough to know that. Just like every Catholic male is not a Republican and all Muslims are not extremists. There is no difference.

    So before YOU, sir, make incorrect statement do your homework. And YOUR party is all talk and no action. Obama is doing nothing to promote gay marriage.

    MItt Romney is pro-civil union, denounced Chick fil A (of which Obama said not a word) and supports gays in the boy scouts.

    At any rate, I am free to support any candidate I want. You can say what you want about my opinions, but you cannot tell me who I should or should not be affiliated with.

    And if you opened your mind a bit, Geepa, and took off your liberal blinders, you would see what YOUR party is doing to a once great town.

    Good luck with your clouded views.

  • 50. geepa  |  August 17, 2012 at 3:36 am

    Clouded views?
    Mitt Romney after his defeat in Colorado
    Mitt Romney’s view on same-sex marriage isn’t evolving at all. He told a local reporter here today that domestic partnership benefits — including hospital visitation rights– are “appropriate, but that the others are not.”

    “Well when these issues were raised in my state of Massachusetts, I indicated my view, which is I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender, and I do not favor civil unions if they are identical to marriage other than by name,” Romney told a Fox News affiliate, KDVR-TV
    Obama on the subject
    President Barack Obama said Wednesday he supports same-sex marriage, raising the political stakes on an issue over which Americans are evenly split.

    The announcement was the first by a sitting president and put Obama squarely at odds with presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who on Wednesday said during an appearance in Oklahoma, “I believe marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman.”

    Obama said in an interview with ABC News, “At a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me, personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married.”

  • 51. geepa  |  August 17, 2012 at 4:21 am

    As far as what my party has done to a great town? Ever wonder why Interstate 90 heads south to Elyria around Lorain? When the mall was being planned to be built in Lorain on Root Road and what was supposed to be I 90 the downtown businesses including Bob Beck who had a very successful Chevy dealership on the corner of Broadway and 21st Street lobbied both parties ( Woody Mathna was mayor) to keep the Mall from being built in Lorain. LCCC could have been built where Campana Park is now located had the republican deciding vote on the LCCC board of trustees side with Lorain. The Water plant on first street was proposed to be moved into the Kings Woods property, Woody Mathna and the republican firm of Warner and Associates fought to keep it from moving opening up all that water front for future development. Gold Coast Development Corporation planned a hotel and condos along what is now known as Jackalopes and the marina. People of this city fought hard stating it should be for public use. how is that working out? How many people in Lorain are docking thier boats in that marina? Former Republican Law director Mike Scherach fought long and hard trying to prevent Harbor Walk from happening. The high school on the river, would have brought thousands of people downtown every day, how many Democrats fought that plan? Can you imagine a high school football stadium complete with a state of the art track where districts could be held every spring bringing people from all over the state to downtown Lorain? How about concerts in the summer? No Andrew its not a democrat thing here in Lorain, its a people thing, We are our worse enemy.

  • 52. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 17, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Ok gentlemen I will leave it to you to discuss your political views- just a reminder play nice – no personal insults, because I for one would like to see a political discussion take place without that brought into the equation on this blog. ding……………………….

  • 53. Andrew branham  |  August 17, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Again Geepa – I am not so selfish and self absorbed that I would vote only on one issue. I don’t vote on gay rights alone. I vote on the whole package. I am voting for Mitt Romney because Obama has been a terrible President and does not deserve another term. I don’t need to go into why. I have clearly outlined those points in my op-ed that you read.

    And as a loving and accepting democrat, you still have not denounced the comment that was said. You, sir, and showing your true colors

  • 54. Andrew Branham  |  August 17, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    In addition Geepa ~ the LDP is not entirely responsible for Lorain’s freefall but it is the root cause.

    1) The vote D mentality that exists in Lorain does so much harm to that great city. Please are raised to vote Dem and only Dem without even thinking about it. They just push the D. Most freely admit that. Why does this hurt Lorain? Because in town that does not truly have a solid two party system fails. What happens is the town establishes a ‘good old boys’ network of political leaders and very little gets done. Sound familar? It is very rare in Lorain when a Republican even bothers to run knowing their chances are so slim. In addition, they know they will be bullied and intimidated – just like Denise has been, I have been, and hundreds of others have been. Your party leader is as crooked and shady as they come and even those in Lorain realize that now. Until that changes, the fate of Lorain will remain the same. I am not saying they should vote republican, but I am saying allow the other side to present a case and don’t stifle them. If you have not seen the article, google 10 top cities run by democrats. When you do, you will see that the top 10 cities that are hurting the worse are all run by Dems (for decades).

    2) You are correct in that Lorain’s problems are related to people. But you Dems believe in hand feeding them with entitlement after entitlement. Bail bonds places are built all around city hall. Companies are packing up and leaving. Sherrod Brown’s personal policies of super-regulation have resulted in the loss of many great employers – the last figure was 63,000 jobs.

    3) Why are Lorain businesses packing up and leaving? The politicians did too little too late. They sat on their hands knowing they had a political monopoly and it bite them in the ass. What Lorain needed was less focus on unions, labor, and entitlements and more focus on keeping a bringing jobs. Tax incentives, tax rate reductions for businesses, tax free loans, tax exemptions, free trade expansion (CAFTA increased Lorain exports by 43%….Lorain alone…..yet the Dems don’t favor free trade), bi-partisan job growth panels…..job focuses not ‘give me’ focus.

    Nothing will change in Lorain until the mentality changes. It starts with the LDP getting new leadership (like Chris O, Mayor R, etc). People with more balanced views and not everything being partisan (and George W. Bush’s fault). Next, free thinking. Finally two party system.

  • 55. Mark Teleha  |  August 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    geepa said: The high school on the river, would have brought thousands of people downtown every day, ….bringing people from all over the state to downtown Lorain?

    All dreams and delusions. Just like all the property owners on Broadway that haven’t done anything with their properties because they still think a casino is going into the hotel.

    Still trying to figure out why, with all the folks on Council and in City Hall, that are residents of this City, more legislation hasn’t been enacted to do something about downtown, and property owners like George Schneider that keep buying up houses and doing jack with them, etc. Do they drive with blinders on? Do they not see what’s going on in this City? Do they not see it falling down? The Post Office across from Scorchers is an historic building, yet it’s got huge ‘cash for gold’ signs on the property, which I’m pretty sure violate the Design Review Board’s guidelines. No one cares, no one does diddly. WTH?

  • 56. geepa  |  August 17, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Andrew I have a different opinion on most of what you believe and I will discontinue this debate. I know Mr Giardini and I don’t believe him to be a crook as you state. I am very aware of the many things he has done both financially and his time all for the betterment of this community. I also think this president has done a very good job in a very difficult time. You speak of stifle, well this president has fought through some very tough issues when it is well known that the republican agenda is to insure that he is a one term president. Party politics is well played on both sides of the aisle. I am a D for a reason, I vote my best interest and the Democrat party is in my interest. I find it very difficult to understand why people would vote for a party that does not represent ones best interest. Why you would choose to support a candidate that does not have your best interest is something I dont understand, but that is your choice and it is your right to do so.
    And as far as Lorain is concerned we the citizens are our worse enemy, the citizens made up those unions not the democrat party. Business leaving? You think it just in Lorain? Its nationwide Andrew, manufactoring jobs have been leaving this country for some time, How many manufactoring jobs had Bain Capital shipped overseas?
    Finally you chose this fight, and like Denise when you make comments you must expect some push back. People will disagree and some will not fight fair, but to label everything on a party affliliation is wrong.

  • 57. geepa  |  August 17, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    You are right Mark it is all a dream because it is not happening. Now we are spending millions to reopen a school, shipping students to the furthest point of the city, rebuilding a school in the middle of a neighborhood. Have you been to downtown Amherst when they host the district track meet? The business in downtown Amherst is bustling with people from all over the state. In fact are you aware how close the High School is to the downtown? Do you remember when there was only Lorain High and St Marys and the proximity to Lorain’s Downtown? Can you imagine that area of the river that has sat undeveloped for as long as Lorain has been incorporated, developoed as an eduactional facility including trade schools, an LCCC extension, and a football stadium that could be used for different events? The Palace being utilized for different school functions such as concerts, graduations, school plays, all bringing people downtown. I feel we missed a golden opportunity to help rebuild downtown with a built in draw to the area. You are right about the current conditions but in order to change that you need to have people going to the area. We need more to keep Farohs, the Charleston Coffee Shop and the Palace.

  • 58. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 17, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Geepa- you need foot traffic which Amherst has- Lorain won’t because the area called downtown Lorain ( and I think it should be called uptown:) is one of the few downtowns that is abutted by a residential area all along the Broadway corridor …( the way it was designed back in 1834 and platted out) people lived close, shopped close and went to their businesses. the neighborhoods were healthy- unfortunately the abutting neighborhoods are no longer “healthy “ an neither is the foot- prime example is the story in the mj re Veterans Park – and the reason I am looking at the WHO is WHO that are setting the bar for these neighborhoods that abutt our downtown…. I think when I am finally through with the figures of these conglomorate property owners you will get a better idea of what is happening to Lorain. You can’t have a thriving business and shopping district when the neighborhood is sick and seen as a no go area…….

    I was interviewed yesterday by the young woman from the Huffington Post in this regard – more to come ……………..

  • 59. Andrew Branham  |  August 17, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Geepa – we certainly do have differing opinions….that we can agree on. I am still astounded that you refuse to denounce what your felllow Dem attempted to do to me. In my 36 years, I have never had such a nasty, evil and sick thing concocted against me. Again, your failure to do so, shows you put partisan politics above something you know is, without a doubt, wrong. I see this often in Lorain poltics and because of that I feel for you. Me, I have always stood up for what is right. I fought against Rick Santorum. I stand up for women’s rights. I fight against Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee. I fight for minority rights. In a reverse situation, even if it was Tony G. himself, I would come to his defense. Just as I did the other day when he was being attacked in the MJ.

    I too find it very hard to understand how you can support such a hypocritcal and hateful party. Especially the LDP. It goes against everything America was founded on – free market, freedom, small government, states rights, liberty, and justice. Your party tramples on all of that with pride.

    And for the last time – I am not a Republican. I am an independent. I am a free thinker and do not associate myself with either party this days. Both are wrong.

    Lorain??? Look around you sir. There are cities that are thriving. Avon? Avon Lake?? Pittsburgh (voted top 10 place in American to live and only 2 hours away). I could name hundreds. Do yourself the favor and read the article I suggested about America’s top 10 Dem run towns. You will find it interesting.

    And your last point…of course I knew there would be people in disagreement. I love debate. I love respectful and thoughtful debate. Unfortunately. Tom Skoch has been forced to block many Dems and Repubs because they get out of line and uncivil.

    And with that ~ I too will step aside from this debate and move on to better and more important things. ….like writing my next op-ed.


  • 60. Andrew branham  |  August 17, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    I agree Loraine – in addition Lorain needs to do more to incent businesses – tax rates, rent subsidies, and tax exemptions

  • 61. geepa  |  August 17, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    I agree Loraine Surrounding neighborhoods are very important. In Cleveland there is a waiting list for apartments in the downtown district. But there is also something for people to do in the downtown area. I believe that having a high school downtown would have been a step to draw business to the area. A district track meet, graduation night, a school play, high school basketball games brings people down to the area, people may choose to eat before or after an event. Dropping children off at school looking for a place to pick up groceries or eat breakfast. It all goes hand in hand.

  • 62. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 17, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    looking forward to the op ed Andrew- but there is a significant difference between Lorain Amherst , Avon Avon Lake and the surrounding “bedroom ” communites

    one being the absence of a plethora of social service agencies and the fact the amount of conglomorate rentals are not to be found- landlords that are determining where the bar is set in our comunity ( not sure if you have been following the posts on that see the category –

    building codes enfoced and that hasn’t happened under democrat and republican administrations for the most part.. 🙂 read about my 40 year eyesore on 2nd and Hamilton ….. – banks don’t “dump” in those communities and when the Bureau of Community Sanctions Coluimbus send their clients up north ( those that have been incarcerated) they will tell theit clients what areas they can “assimilate in a neighborhood” they do not mention Avon, Avon Lake, bay Village ,West Lake , Amherst Vermilion but they will tell them that Lorain and Elyria .

    when 10 RSO a day were being advised where to go in Lorain county it was to Lorain ( 2005) and that would never have happened in Avon without a hue and cry but they were slipping in here by the dozens then being kicked out into the neighborhoods

    – just check the amount of people on parole in my neighborhood….check on the rso’s in and around the business district … then Avon 😦 this more than a political party problem in my opinion…because this happened under a republican adminstration as well … anyway tomorrow is another day and another post and another op ed 🙂

  • 63. geepa  |  August 17, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    One of the wake-up calls for Alexander came when two of his employees asked him if he knew anyone in downtown Cleveland because they were on a waiting list for an apartment.

    “We were actually on a waiting list for four months before we got in,” says Veronica Tarasco, who now shares one of the hippest addresses in the city – East 4th Street – with co-worker Kristen Babjack.

    On most nights, that part of downtown is bustling with restaurants and live music.

    “We can leave our apartment and walk five feet to a restaurant to get something to eat or to go shopping,” Babjack says.

    To read more here is the link

  • 64. aka/mozart  |  August 17, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Hey!!!…i work down town..the foot traffic is from the bars mostly…there are no real businesses…other than a few insurance angencies…5 and 10 cent store…jewelry shop…theater..barber…tatoo shop…and bars..and some odds and ends… is a much more condenced area with a different clientel…but the key is that they know and understand how to market their downtown and city…they have a good school would not matter where it was…the attraction to the school is not because it is near down town. it is because it is a good place to send one’s kids for a good education..If our district was thriving..don’t you think there would be those who would be beating down doors to get their kids in?wouldnt matter where…it’s about the kids learning and taking those learnd skills and apply them to their future and on to college if lucky enough..

    .the neighborhods are kept up and they do not have rentals littering the blocks one after another. It is a community that cares..and the success is obvious….i look to vermilion now days..and see what they are there is a city that is CHANGING….SHOPPING…RESTRUANTS…ALL OF THE ABOVE… they have changed the mind set of that town….i go there often now to spend some of the money that i make…as there is nothing in lorain for me to spend any thing on..other than my gas…and pharmacy.
    A school on the river….was not going to change one dang on thing…just more grief…until this city cleans up…..nothing will work.only the slum lords working to get to the bank to cash their rent checks…yikes…get me out of here..

    .I am sick of politics…and one thinking one is better than the other….and i will not be tricked into that tom-foolery to think differently…i am shamed to be a democrat..and i have no asperation to become a Republican…perhaps if the two could ever meet in the middle…there could be real change…BUT THAT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!
    (my name was i just had a thing or two to say)..of no real value ofcourse…

  • 65. Andrew branham  |  August 17, 2012 at 11:38 pm is gone!!!!!! One victory for the people of Lorain — one loss for Joyce Early

  • 66. geepa  |  August 18, 2012 at 2:37 am

    We all are aware of the issues Mozart
    And what does a good school district have anything to do with where a school is located? Absolutely nothing. It is about bringing people to the downtown area That school would have brought educators and parents downtown. Spin off business from the increased amount of traffic is the possible result.
    For the record all my children have went through the Lorain School District, and did quite well. received many college credits along with a very good education. Not once did I have any fear for their safety nor did I have any concerns that the district failed them.
    A school district is only as good as the students that walks the halls. If a child is there to learn he will learn.

  • 67. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 18, 2012 at 10:37 am

    AH Geepa have to take issue here with
    “If a child is there to learn he will learn”

    you see I pulled both my kids from LCS after the 6th grade….both wanted to learn both had parents that supported them and even though I thought they were learning by the “reports ” coming home and teacher meetings err…. not the case Chris grade 5.5 pulling down c’s an b’s according to all reports was actually reading at grade 1 point 2 level or grade one -.comprehension 2.3 vocabulary 4.9 – I have him tested as things just didn’t “add up ” when helping with a project, it caused him to think he was stupid etc. He had private tutoring for nearly 3 years in order to catch up……. he was being passed through grant funded reading programs at LCS I believe in in order to show the success of those programs ..

    funnily enough for some reason I just came across his 3rd grade report card the other day and shook my head ……….

  • 68. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 18, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Yes , I saw that now has an (s) on the end loraindirts…

  • 69. aka/mozart  |  August 18, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    “It is about bringing people to the downtown area That school would have brought educators and parents downtown”.

    Bringing people downtown Geepa? For have to have their kids walk thru the slums…Do you live in this area? 2nd ward? If not, you can’t quite get how we feel about this hood….ask Loraine,,she has been wrting and thinking about it for quite some time now….

    I wont even bring my mom into this area, little lone send a kid into this crumbfested area. A school here..that is laughable as to bring people down town…yes you are entitled to that perspective…but the real answer is to bring jobs…not school buses or parents dropping off kids and then fleaing.
    Perhaps you know of business’s that committed themselves to the downtown that I am not aware of…if the school was built along the river……I heard of no companies coming in, in that regard.

    Dont you think most of us who live in this area would like to get out?…and you think a school would have changed my mind?…..clean up this area first…families would look to move back into this area….and business may then think about setting up shop. Market this city….sell this city….if i”m not convinced by what i see, i dont see how a potential business owner would think any differently.

    Bottom line…there was and is not enough money to build that school on the is a done deal…and i suppose we will have to agree to disagree. Pehpahs living in such a negative atmosphere…generates negative thinking…as i live….so i am….anyhow it is early, and perhaps too early to wrap my head around such a thing…it has been wrapped very tightly as of late.

    So geepa…my name is denise caruloff…aka mozart…what is yours? thanks:)

  • 70. aka/mozart  |  August 18, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    flee…not flea…ha…but i am sure there alot of flea’s here in the hood!

  • 71. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 18, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Denise Geepa is known to me – there are valid reasons he posts under his nom de plume please everyone don’t call people out on this blog for having as nom de plume as I say I know who they are and I know their reasonings for doing so.

    And Denise I totally agree with the conditions and safety issues in the surrounding area of the Broadway corridor people locating here in fact that has been verified by the acting director of community development recently to both city council administration and in the media….

    I didn’t really care where they built the school it just seems the fuss about ONE new highschool was the focus when actually they should have been more concerned with “why just one” when there used to be 3.and the answer loss of students……. the walkaway from Lorain City Schools….

    The new “Irving” (Constellation) sent out the flyer the only school in Lorain rated “excellent” ……………………

  • 72. aka/mozart  |  August 18, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    i understand Loraine……it is just nice if someones uses my name a post to know who i am replying back to…perhaps no further replies are needed….clair de’ loon…nom de plume…..yeah..i was gonna do that de plume thing wasn’t i…..hmmmmm…and i remember my motive…ha!

  • 73. aka/mozart  |  August 18, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Thanks for the call Loraine..i guess it is all a matter of “de’plum..ecy”
    I do feel badly about got dirt being gone…i have said often (and even to the mayor) that i found it an interesting blog to go to…as there were things exposed that appeared …people with special interest had wanted kept quiet…such aS THE LUCAS PARK ordeal…that alone had made me appreciate lorain dirt…becuase we as citizens got wind of something that could have escalated into a full blown hurricane. I am just sorry..that the attack was so brutal on andrew, thus causing me to react and defend (along with others)….outcome being the demise of loraindirt.,,perhaps a gotmoredirt can happen..but done a little differently!!!
    Well perhaps it is best to just keep one’s mouth shut…lord knows i have been accused of saying enough things…and rather sick of all that too. Actually i am really quite fed up…on that note…tweet tweet
    i’m going to meet a friend for lunch….over and out…as “my judge” would say. ;(

    i remember a quote i used to say to myself and i really did live by..”becarful what you say…there are feelings everywhere” and yes even my friends without knowing…with certain comments have hurt me….’just something for me to start remembering again perhaps…i guess until it really matters…then i’ll go on attack mode…good grief!

  • 74. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 18, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Well Denise enjoy your lunch and have some fun…… “it is a beautiful day in Lorain” ( sorry couldn’t help it ) 😉

  • 75. geepa  |  August 18, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    My name is Geepa
    Loraine, I believe the acting director said that people did not feel safe when visiting downtown, that is why the new or additional lighting along Broadway. I never heard him provide any statistics saying it was not safe. I could be wrong but it was more perception. And I also understood the location of the school was to be built east of broadway on land that is vacant along the river. While I drive down Broadway to go to the riverfornt for concerts, port fests, fireworks, I dont recall having to drive through any slums. Former students of south Lorain would not need to drive through any neighborhoods nor would anyone coming from the west ot east. I dont understand why anyone would have to go through what most consider the bad areas of town to get to Broadway, Meister, 28th 30th East and West Erie all connect with Broadway.
    As far as money to build that school? I guess we had millions to spend to reopen Southview and I also understood that there was more than enough money that some figures provided by the state were not true.
    Thats all water under the dam and it will be another decision we made that we may regret in time.

  • 76. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 18, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Actually Geepa what Rey Carrion said was documented on this blog ( tch tch haven’t been reading every post have you 🙂
    This is what Rey Carrion acting Director of Community Development said

    We have a massive problem in our hands! During one of our surveys conducted last week it was determined that one City block in the Central Lorain area has approximately 189 homes. 59 of those homes are vacant while 13 are inconclusive. These properties represent 38% of the block. And unfortunately, many of the remaining properties in the block do not meet the current Property Maintenance standards.

    The four major impediments to our economic development efforts include 1) Condition of public schools, 2) Condition of streets, 3) Safety, and 4) Condition of housing stock. Over and over, many developers that pass on Lorain state these four issues as the main reasons why they opt for other communities.

    Tell you what come on over and we will take a walk or better yet just look at Veterans Park post just put up – this is becoming the norm at the end of my street- also how wonderful this guy was ound behind more for less with his drugs and beer..

  • 77. Mark Teleha  |  August 18, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    A school was not going to bring downtown back, geepa. What we need from the property owners on Broadway that are currently sitting on closed shops is to do something with it or sell it to someone that will. We need City Hall and local banks to encourage and help new businesses open and operate downtown. We need a Design Review Board that has the balls to tell a business that the signage and advertising and/or color scheme they have does not work with the theme they outlined years ago.

    More than ANYTHING, we need folks that give a damn.

  • 78. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 18, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    totally agree Mark and they have to be prepared to give a damn for a long time because things move sooooooooooooo slowly as per the park post…..

  • 79. Andrew Branham  |  August 18, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    I agree completely Mark and Loraine!

    In addition, until we stop with all the entitlements in Lorain things will not improve. Giving handouts does not grow character. These people need to learn to work, be responsible, etc. Unfortunately, people are not going to move businesses into Lorain until things improve.

    How do you do that? It starts with throwing the extreme politics out the window in Lorain. Enough with the ‘good old boys’ network run by Tony G. Lorain needs bi-partisan support of all interested citizens to get it back on its feet. Tony and the LDP are not leading Lorain…..they are leading them into the gutter. Look at what 20+ years of LDP leadship have done to a once fantastic city.

    Geepa – I too went to Lorain City Schools and got a fairly good education. But things are different now my friend. Good kids have a more difficult time getting an education when they are surrounded by gangs, drugs, and crime. It is a different world than it was for you or me.

    The location of the school makes no difference. Personally, I was not in favor of placing it in the swamp.

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