Freedom of Speech – USA- Really??? Pt 4

August 13, 2014 at 3:38 pm 18 comments

Who I Am  by  Chris Ritchey

Who I Am by Chris Ritchey

PART ONE Would I defend your right to have a differing opinion?

One manโ€™s Cricket


Community Standards

Here we are back to the beginning and the “perception” that one has the right to share an opinion. The right to opine something that doesn’t sit well with a vocal majority- especially here in Lorain it seems. I have been around this block too many times to go on . Who is Watching the Watcher
( circa 2002)
You can read a lot here in back posts. I am not going to chew the cud twice,

cole Ah this blog- it’s very name- THAT WOMAN , the monika given to me by, the now deceased Morning Journal Editor, John Cole. He took issue with me because I disagreed and he front paged “me” home address and all — using his newspaper’s clout when I “dared” come out against the big four – Foltin- Prudoff- Veard – and Cole when they wanted to put “condos” in what is known as Veterans Park- Lorain’s public green space since 1807-

I wonder what would have happened had those condos been built ? More section 8 housing downtown perhaps. Don’t scoff – Section 8 or now under the new more acceptable nicey nice name Housing Choice ( Vouchers) is very, very big business in Lorain and especially in the 44052!

For instance according to Ms. Carter of the LMHA

“housing choice vouchers alone pump 1.4 MILLION A MONTH
into Lorain County but The City of Lorain gets 64% of that money EVERY MONTH or approximately $900,000.00 PER MONTH COMES INTO THE CITY OF LORAIN-!!!

How about that BIG Business for you – lucrative one would say and that is just the “private” landlords and LLC’s .

Vouchers Per Zip Code
Amherst 44001 1.1%
Avon 44011 4.0%
Avon Lake 44012 0.6%
Col Station 44028 0.1%
Elyria 44035 23.2%
N Ridgeville 44039 1.1%
Grafton 44044 0.2%
LaGrange 44050 0.3%
Lorain 44052 32.5%
Lorain 44053 10.4%
Lorain 44055 21.3%
Sheffield 44054 1.5%
Oberlin 44074 1.5%
Vermilion 44089 1.3%
Wellington 44090 0.9%

but The City of Lorain gets 64% of that money EVERY MONTH or approximately $900,000.00 PER MONTH COMES INTO THE CITY OF LORAIN-!!!
How about that? BIG Business at work for you – lucrative one would say and that is just the “private” landlords and LLC’s

If you look at the stats for the 44052- those landlords , property owners LLC etc are receiving the MOST of all the zip codes in the county. This 44052 zip code is receiving MORE than the WHOLE CITY OF ELYRIA. By my math 3.5 MILLION a year just from one agency. But at least LMHA have “building codes ” and hopefully enforce them , Of course then there are other rentals!
You remember THIS area is where the Intelligencer ( members of the Downtown Consortium) want to promote , where the standards of the community are set, the seat of City Government , the “BUSINESS District” of Social Service Agencies, the historic district, the waterfront entertainment district, the 44052 the one place the city can expand and develop within its borders.

BUT far be it from me to point out any concerns about housing, the terrible building stock,
joshes sign
the number of RSO , parolees, the crime stats and wanting those with expendable income be part of the foot traffic. As legitimate, as I believe as those concerns are I would be pilloried as a nay-sayer and fly in the eye of the rose-colored visionaries. Because you see that is what happens ( and I have documented it for years!)
Back to Rover Fest!!!. I have no problem with a community setting its own standards, even if that bar is set lower than my “personal preference – vocal majority rules.

When Alex Olejko was in office, his administration brought in an ordinance with regard to obscenity. There was a bruhaha at the time, as I recall- I guess people were not so intimidated as to speaking out back then- that was of course before the “screen name only comments” in the media and internet blossomed into being and the 4th estate was supposed to be balanced .
I wonder is this ordinance still in effect? Was it amended by the electors for the events at Black River Landing as the Lorain Port Authority Board deleted their definition of obscenity for the event? It had to have been because there was all of that and more at the event and the enforcers of the laws were in attendance. – see videos Part three
or Google RoverFest 2014.

If I recall correctly , at the time it was decreed by the legal eagles – obscenity was to be determined by the standards of each individual community – hence the NEW standards – brought to you by local business consortium , the Lorain Port Authority and the City of Lorain. and I certainly didn’t see any of the “religious fraternity” objecting.

Objecting??? AKA the naysayers HUH?? you see even IF anyone had wanted to OBJECT to the event and NAY SAYED they were cleverly not given a chanceThe date the contract with the Lorain Port Authority was signed was APRIL- 2nd 2014. The official announcement JUNE 2nd. 2014

Now forgive me for speaking my thoughts, but how could ANYONE say NAY or stop or express concerns as to the “caliber and tone” of this event or the lowering the bar of community standards IT WAS ALREADY A DONE DEAL!!! THERE WAS NO ROOM FOR A DIFFERING OPINION.. no one could say NAY!! ( I believe that is called in cricket “well-played gentlemen “) ( for those in doubt – sarcasm)

But this silly old woman, the neighborhood organization and neighbors had , what we believed, were legitimate concerns. Under our letter head we ‘BEFORE THE EVENT” WANTED TO EXPRESS THOSE CONCERNS TO OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES IN GOVERNMENT- THE TAX PAYER FUNDED LORAIN PORT AUTHORITY ( where the event was being staged ) and the LORAIN POLICE DEPT. Both CVSI letters found here :
First Letter –
CVSI RoverFest request
Follow Up Letter
CVSI Formal request Rover Fest 2014 follow up

Now do forgive me, I always thought, and in fact had to learn to get my US citizenship – it was not only my right by also my duty to contact the representatives of government with any concerns. It is the right to be heard and to speak without fear

“The right to petition is fundamental in a Republic, such as the United States, as a means of protecting public participation in government.”

Our right of concern was seen as a threat and being one of the dreaded naysayers in the media comments as well as the “movers and shakers” of Lorain and by a puffed up potentate of the airways. Who also confused me with another who was voicing concerns- we ( I ) was taken down the “rover road” on the airways). I didn’t listen and didn’t care what was being said about me personally, but I do take issue when the organization that has worked to do something to add to this community was ridiculed and denigrated. There are “closet rover listeners”- and my phone would ring – he said this about you yada yada yada
When one city official was told that I was getting a little fed up with the blame game said “ well she shouldn’t have taken on the Howard Stern of Cleveland”

OH puuuuuuuuuulease !!! I have crossed words with 8 administrations and city councils , Congress , mayors outside Lorain , Senators , editors even the BBC in my time – I could care less about a radio show, with the format of bathroom humour, less comical, than a five year old just discovering he is a male.

City  of Lorain

ED NOTE: I would be remiss in not thanking the LPD and the City of Lorain who did follow through with the concerns we had with regard to the parking by Eric Barnes Heroes Walk and there were absolutely NO PROBLEMS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR AT THE SITE. WHICH WAS OUR PRIMARY CONCERN!!!!!

You would think that was the end of it- ah! no the chest beating began and still continues this morning . The editorials lauding the new success of enterprise. All well and good except, once again anyone who had pointed anything of a concern to them was now the subject of nahnana nah and the nay sayer labeling !

I watched , I listened as at least one person( of the 4 that I know of who voiced their thoughts under their own name) , that person, went ‘against the shock jock” using his own colorful language (deemed acceptable in Lorain now) and terminology and under their own name had ,their place of employment sought out – the fact he had a radio show and the implied threat of using the airways to his advantage against a lone citizen , in agreement or not went against the grain.
freesppech collage

Everyone has a right to their opinion in my world, even Shane French . Why should I get back involved in the muck and mire of having an opinion defending the right of those in apparently the minority of Lorain? Did I really want to get back into the fray- ( Part One) NO!

But as I watched the bully beat of on going editorials, letters to the editor been there before , media and facebook comments -my son’s words kept playing over and over in my head .. KNOWING NOTHING I WOULD SAY WOULD CHANGE A DAMNED THING . Why should I ? Because as one person’s opinion is silenced by the weapons of embarrassment, and ridicule- 10 others look and learn the lesson and walk away- and that my friends is the insidious beginning of the death of free speech!

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Freedom of Speech – USA- Really??? Pt 3 A Child of the heart- Gabriel Miller

18 Comments Add your own

  • 1. aka/mozart  |  August 13, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    as one had said…”awesome” ๐Ÿ™‚

  • 2. John schrenk  |  August 13, 2014 at 5:49 pm


  • 3. aka/mozart  |  August 13, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    hey john….how did you find Loraine’s blog. and you are right…wow.

  • 4. Paula  |  August 14, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    Any Calls from City Hall yet? ๐Ÿ™‚

  • 5. thatwoman  |  August 14, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    OH NOOOOOOOO it has gone very quiet ๐Ÿ™‚ anyway as I said I don’t expect one damned thing to come of these thoughts the bar is lowered or I should say community standards have been lowered by those that are “running and involved” , the word smithying and spin are in full force but I have had my say – fulfilled my obligation to my son’s work – I have gone on the record and Lorain and the powers that be in the city, port ,consortium, media and majority have set the tone – too bad this city is so desperate to believe pole dancing drunks are the way forward… but I am too old, burned out “jaded” to jump on the band wagon ……

  • 6. John schrenk  |  August 14, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    Loraine gave me the address when we were checking out the Christmas trees at the model train show at Lorain’s ‘train station’.

  • 7. thatwoman  |  August 14, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    Oh apparently the ordinance was not amended or repealed for Rover Fest – but according to those that should know ( the consortium members there was no nudity and everyone was well behaved… hmmmmmmmmmmm there are none so blind as those that will not see

  • 8. thatwoman  |  August 14, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    Oh Hi John I remember you ! actually we have just been given some artifacts from Peggy Gillmores estate one of which was a rolled panoramic prints of what we believed something to do with railroads. We gave it to Dennis Lamont and it turned out to be the trcks etc for the Terminal Tower in Cleveland – we were also given the class photograph graduates of 1914 and found it ironic that we were able to give it to Lorain City Schools 100 years later to hang at Charleston Center ๐Ÿ™‚ we also were given a beautiful portrait and frame of General Gillmore by the family ( Lorain Historical had apparently turned it down) so the family sent it over to us. I am not sure what we will be doing with that ๐Ÿ™‚

  • 9. aka/mozart  |  August 14, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    It is true..i called nancy G…and she double checked in her book..and the ordinance you posted..had not be amended…

    we’ll see what Mr. riley has to say…but this certainly sets a presidents doesn’t it Loraine…we have the picutres as documentation…the ord..and the deletions…plus the LpD were on the scene…so if I want to go topless,,,spread my legs and hop on a poll that should be just fine witih the standards the city is using…I assume I now have that right. to yell out the n word and f word to anyone that is in ear shot….whose gonna arrest me?.. lol….all in the name of entertainment? Entertain this. ( ! )

  • 10. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 14, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    Oh Heavens the visual … well I would hazard a guess anyone of us did that WE WOULD BE ARRESTED!! but if you could bring 10-15 thousand people into the neighborhood things might be different OH WAIT THEY WERE!!!! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • 11. aka/mozart  |  August 15, 2014 at 12:17 am

    too funny ….oh that Pandora can be a pesky thing if she sets her mind to it….I think somehow we are distantly related to her….:0

  • 12. aka/mozart  |  August 15, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    lol…I turned on the radio in my bathroom..and rover was interviewing this rock guy..and they were talking about how wicked people can be on the internet..using fake names..etc.,,then rover had to say how there were two women in lorain when rover fest was there..sitting at their computers…blah blah blah…how lorain should have rolled out the red carpet for them..(which they did) cause nothing goes on in lorain…except for those two complainers….lol….thought it was funny as to hear rover say how awful it is for folks to be so mean on the net..but if I remember..he took advantage of the net as well…:)

  • 13. Loraine Ritchey  |  August 15, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Stop listening to that drivel Denise , it is of no consequence – he is just a pimple on the face of the earth. He thrives on bullyisms and ranting – but that being said :

    how dreadful for him not to be liked by two women ahhhhhhhhh what the hell does he care not like we are going to make a difference in his rather debauched world of defecating humor and misogynistic leanings.

    The City of Lorain, LPA , Downtown Consortium and Media have made the determination as to what is acceptable in this community. fine so be it . No problem with that the majority rules !! The bang is in the buck!! and Community Standards took a nose dive for the same reason. But again the majority have determined that happenstance.

    As for the internet ahhhhhhhhhh poor baby and it usually works so well for him too.. I can’t understand his seemingly maniacal need for 100 percent approval..

    well when you jump in the pool you are bound to get splashed now and then…. ..nothing anyone is saying on this blog on in print can’t be proven……. and I will be damned if I for one am going to be intimidated by aging shock jock with less than original , witty or even intelligent commentary … I have a right to disagree, make public my thoughts and I will not be quieted .. better men have tried…..

    And neither will a bunch of “elected and or appointed officials, and business “leaders” – they can spin , wordsmith to their hearts content but the emperor still has no clothes ๐Ÿ˜‰ in my humble opinion!!!! Now, Denise do not give the wannabe Howard Stern the benefit of one more minute of tuning into that rubbish!

  • 14. aka/mozart  |  August 15, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    it was just by chance I heard that as I was getting ready to change the station and I heard them talking about the internet and the It caught my attention…looks like he has a pretty thin skin thou…lol…better men have tried …amen to that!

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