General (ly) Gillmore – Lorain – the early years

September 8, 2014 at 6:14 pm 8 comments

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General Quincy Adams Gillmore ( latter years)
Part One https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/general-quincy-a-gillmore-the-dining-room-dilemna/
A great deal has been written about General Adams Quincy Gillmore. He was the son of Quartus Gillmore and Elizabeth (Reid) Gillmore.

probable  photo  of Quartus and Elizabeth Reid Gillmore

probable photo of Quartus and Elizabeth Reid Gillmore

Edited photo of in all probability Quartus and Elizabeth Gillmore courtesy of Matt Weisman

I say ” in probability” because, like most of Lorain’s early history, I have to rely on “calculated guesswork”, word of mouth family history and snippets of information gleaned from biographies and events that may or may not be 100 percent correct. . In fact ,frustratingly enough for me, to do research on the internet the searches bring me back to this blog, for the most part.

When my neighbor , Peggy Gillmore,
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/history-mystery-lives-of-lorain-gillmore/ would call to talk she would rattle off the names of her family as if they walked the streets of this neighborhood today . And actually they do walk among us still – our beautiful Lakeview Park the land first cleared in 1811/1812 by the very man pictured above with his wife. Quartus arrived here with his father Edmund Gillmore 1811

quarthis
Source : History of the state during the war, and the lives of her generals
By Whitelaw Reid

As I read the above, I remembered a very old photograph that came with the box of items from Peggy’s. I hadn’t thought much about it at the time as we all went through the assorted items on that April evening. As everyone assembled took items with them to peruse and research the things they found most interesting , I was left with some of the odds and ends. The photograph was one of the odds and ends.

Could this be a later photograph of the ancestral farm mentioned as being 200 acres ( Edmund Gillmore) traded away in order to obtain the 1,000 acres he acquired?

edited photograph of possible Gillmore Farm Massachuset

edited photograph of possible Gillmore Farm Massachuset

The back of the photograph mentions ancestral home Mass

Bearing in mind Lakeview Park today ( Metro Parks)
http://www.metroparks.cc/lakeview_park.php
as we know it today is http://danielebrady.blogspot.com/2014/05/monument-to-mayor-leonard-moore.html just 20 acres and it wasn’t until discussion in 1916-17 led to the purchase of roughly 40 acres

Lake View Park  Mark Teleha

Lake View Park Mark Teleha


Source : http://www.locophotogblog.com/?p=311

The first was to purchase the 19 acres along the lake for $42,500. The second included the land offered in the first proposal and 21.9 acres on the south side of West Erie Avenue for $52,900. Finally, Chamberlain offered all of the 119 acres along West Erie Ave. for $100,000, which Mayor Moore believed would be a “good buy” if the city could get the same price for portions of the property that they would not be able to use. After much discussion and some concern that the property was too far out-of-town for citizens to enjoy, councilmen decided to purchase 19 acres north of West Erie Ave and 21.9 acres south of West Erie Ave for $53,551.38.

Chamberlin Estates the owner of the property offered all 119 acres along West Erie for 100,000- Imagine if you will Edmund Gillmore of 1812 owning 1,000 acres and what that entailed in that original plat of Black River ( Settlement)
and then there was at the other end of the town what is now referred to as Veterans’ Park ( although I can find no official documentation as to the name change ) past 1966 ( Lorain Memorial Park) Veterans” Park History ( 7 parts linked) found here
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/veterans-memorial-park-thanks-for-the-memories/

In amongst Peggy’s snippets of information was a cutting circa 1925 calling for information on that self-same park- the original public square .
Gillmore Donation

fast forward to the internet and 1998 and a forum conversation between Diane Wargo Medina ( Charleston Pioneer Cemetery ) and another descendent of the Gillmores- Kathryn Whitaker at that time Ms Whitaker wrote

Here is some information from my great grandmother’s book:
Sophia Gillmore married Daniel Seth Leslie February 8, 1849 at Black River,
Ohio. She was born in Ohio as her mother, Elizabeth Reid (Reed) came with
her father, John Reid to the mouth of Black River, Black River Township, in
1811. They were among the first settlers. Elizabeth married Quartus
Gillmore. The Reeds and Gillmores owned most of Lorain, it has been said.
In fact, the Gillmores and Leslies owned considerable property in Amherst,
Avon Park, Elyria and Lorain. The Eddys and Conleys, relatives of the
Gillmores, had their homeland also in Lorain County. Sophia Gillmore
Leslie deeded Washington Park in downtown Lorain, to the city.

Sophia was the sister of our General Quincy Adams Gillmore
diane marker
And so it goes history in snippets and bits and pieces. I am hesitant to “guess” and conclude- after all this is not my history and I know from Charleston Village Society Board member and historic researcher extraordinaire Diane Wargo Medina – not everything that is always written is correct . So please if in this series there are wrong conclusions or information please feel free to inform me of any corrections! Obviously if you have further information please contact me

To be continued

Thanks to Dan Brady , Jim Smith , Matt Weisman

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8 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Jeff Sigsworth  |  September 9, 2014 at 3:10 am

    Peggy attended a committee meeting at Al Doane’s house in 1981, when we were creating the Black River Historical Society, which is now the Lorain Historical Society; she also was part of our 5-member panel discussion program in 1978 at Lorain Library (with 95 attendees in the audience), which led to the founding in 1979 of the Black River Genealogists of Lorain — now 35 years old.

  • 2. Carolyn Sipkovsky  |  September 9, 2014 at 3:26 am

    Another great collection of an important part of Lorain’s history.

  • 3. thatwoman  |  September 9, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Jeff she was so very proud of her family history and of Lorain- she was also very angry at what has transpired in the ensuing years – bless her heart how I wish I could talk to her unfortunately in latter years she didn’t have the energy etc to sit down and get out her items so I could and others could get the information and now back to guesswork………

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  • 7. Gerald Wallace Gillmore  |  November 17, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    I was flabbergasted when I saw all of this information. I didn’t know that it even existed. Major General Quincy Adams Gillmore is a second cousin four times removed to myself. God Bless you and Ms. Peggy Gillmore for this posting.

  • 8. thatwoman  |  November 17, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    Peggy unfortunately is no longer with us and that is the reason I wrote these posts hopefully you were able to find all 12 posts if not here is the “last post with links to the others”
    https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/generally-gillmore-the-last-post-lorain-part-12/

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