Posts filed under ‘Safety’
Long time readers of this blog will see the exploration of what works and doesn’t work in the “inspections” of older properties.And I was not alone ! There is a “history” from Mark Teleha’s Lorain County Photographer Blog
Dear Madam Housing Inspector ( the grief wrongly given ) 2008 – it does happen
There are even more that I’ve done that still HAVEN’T been addressed. Some that are so horrible, that I can’t imagine why they haven’t been cited yet. How do I know? Because there hasn’t been a damn thing done to any of them since I first saw them.
If what I’m doing is something that you have to complain about, then maybe you’re not doing enough.
My series on the Building Dept.
I decided to see how this “particular inspection” process worked so well and yet our council people have had issues over the years getting the “process” going .
Mrs. Dye of the Lorain Design Review Board took issue with my property and her course of action she stated in
“ WHILE YOU TAKE THIS RUN DOWN BROADWAY I’M GOING TO ALL OF YOUR HOMES.
Now I am sure it was just a coincidence the city conducted block inspections that summer. – well maybe- now I am not so sure 😉 However, I am pleased to say those on this block who received citations followed up and the block looks so much better. For the record we received no such citations in 2013. That apparently was not good enough for Mrs. Dye .
In her “dye a tribe” against me personally after threatening ( in my opinion) the Mayor ( Ritenauer) and the Director of Building Housing and Planning,( Leon Mason) she started out to prove she was a bigger bitch than I. Oh dear didn’t know it was a contest !
ON JANUARY 9th 2015 at 11:56 Kathy Dye – Design Review Board member wrote
…. I can be a bigger bitch than Loraine Ritchie. I know of several things if I spill the beans will cause a huge uproar in this city as well as a large number of law suits.
I was previously asked to keep my mouth shut about all of it but my patience is running thin. Just to also let you know the information I know has nothing to do with any previous city employees……
…..#2, Loraine Ritchie has a lot of “ordinance issues” on the outside of her property, what about the inside?
#4 I understand the mayor is planning to run again. Well after I start sending out my series of letters to all the tv stations, radio stations and newspapers I don’t think it will help his campaign. The ball is now in your hands. If things don’t straighten up immediately with my son and his building the letters will begin next week.
Once again I was mentioned in her email to the Design Review Board on January 13th 2015. Seems I was still on her mind and she had followed through
January 11th 2015 approximately 1:30 in the afternoon on a Sunday
The Dye tribe were outside my home taking photos of my home and also back in the alley . looking I suppose for my “ordinance issues- not found in 2013 apparently – time for a Dye re-inspection-
Now Kathy, was apparently very upset with Mr. Klinar the Chief Building Inspector and wrote in an email Wednesday January 14th 2015 at 1:19 ( three days after her photo inspection)
NOTE: I had put in a public records request and answers to some questions which will be in the next post . So far I have just received the citation (sent by Klinar) and this email.
Looking at this email it is the “second call” Mrs. Dye made on my property- did not Mr. Klinar jump quick enough after her first call? Because also, according to this email ,my overgrown growth is a real hazard to the rodent population:
Oh NO!!! first a downspout named Don dangling and discharging on the ground in sub freezing weather and now the rats are in peril!
Obviously, having some degree of intelligence I realize what Kathy was trying ,in her way, to say – and for the sake of those reading my garage does not require downspouts- a fact well-known to those inspecting older garages.
However ,it seems Mr. Klinar after this admonishment from Kathy Dye of the Design Review Board, got right on that request as 4 working days later he was out and about with his clip board – snow not holding him back- and we duly received the lone downspout citation and the garage needing to be painted in the spring. As an aside his vehicle that day , as we had been having issues with people doing nefarious things in the alley, was noted as a suspicious vehicle .hmmmmm
The issue here is the time lines and who gets what inspected in a timely manner. The next post will address the power of Dye as opposed to those council people who are still waiting and have been for months and years for inspections and out come of those inspections ……. TO BE CONTINUED
” His goal is to continue restoration of the building exterior and eventually reopen the bar, create a rental party center or rent the bar to an operator. Dye currently has his own machine shop, Kris Dye Fabrication, in the building.”
In the last couple of days there has been much cleaning and painting and even a potted “palm” ( well not quite a palm) in place in the front of the old Style Center . The windows are shut and SO NO MORE SIDEWALK INSPECTIONS FROM THE STREET 🙂
The neon sign is up – the bikes are out – and all seemingly are invited in – DOORS ARE open!
and the offensive language has been removed with just a trace ….
But the point of these articles is the fact of the “DIRE STRAIGHTS” of our “toothless ” inspections process .
So now we have up lighting and potted palms but we also (I would hazards a guess) still have
Kathy Dye herself stated in all caps
EVERY BUILDING ON BROADWAY HAS ISSUES
and Lorain continues to
NOTE I will be addressing the rest of Mrs. Kathy Dye’s “rant” hopefully for Monday
UPDATE: From Design Review Board Member Kathy Dye also seen in comments to be fair and balanced 🙂 Note Kathy Dye is the mother of Mr. Dye and one would think proud of the language on his sign by her comments We will be addressing Mrs. Dyes comments
SUCH HATERS, EVERY BUILDING ON BROADWAY HAS ISSUES. WHILE YOU TAKE THIS RUN DOWN BROADWAY I’M GOING TO ALL OF YOUR HOMES. FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION THE LORAIN DESIGN REVIEW BOARD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INSIDES OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. IF SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DAILY MEETING. AND YES I AM PROUD OF ANYONE WHO TAKES ON THE HURDLES OF BUYING A OLD BUILDING ON BROADWAY AND PUTS THEIR HEARTS AND SOULS INTO REMODELING AND THEN THERE ARE HATERS THAT ARE JEALOUS THAT SOMEONE IS TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS TOWN. I, BEING AN OWNER OF A BUILDING ON BROADWAY SINCE 1987 KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO REMODEL AND MAINTAIN AN OLD BUILDING. IT IS A CONSTANT DRAIN TO YOUR POCKET. AND SO WHAT IF YOU DON’T LIKE LOWRIDER TRUCKS. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO DO. WHAT IS YOUR HOBBY? I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO NEED TO GET A LIFE AND GROW UP.
AHHHHHH Downtown the place to be – the place to be seen , songs have been written about Downtown !
In order to answer my 4- year-old grandson’s question – Is this a bad area mum?
Petula Clark’s version of Downtown
Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city
Linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
How can you lose?
The lights are much brighter there
You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares and go
Downtown, things’ll be great when you’re
Downtown, no finer place for sure,
Downtown, everything’s waiting for you
OUR VERSION OF DOWNTOWN
Let us take a walk along the “city side walks – pretty side walks”
Sidewalks are important to this community they are the place of inspections – Remember this series
If the reader will go to parts three and four and five in the series you can see what “inspections entail” for residential- I have asked the City of Lorain to explain re commercial building does our “Inspector have to stay on the sidewalk unless invited in along our ‘Buildings on Broadway??? and the answer from Chief Building Inspector Richard Klinar is
Right of entry applies to all structures.”
PDF file of Rights of Entry here
HMMMM so as you walk into one of the buildings downtown and maybe enjoy the ground floor – you had better beware as to what lies below your feet, or above your head. You will have to “trust” the owner has kept up the maintenance for the building!
Even though it seems inspectors have to stay on the sidewalk to inspect they could have in my opinion taken out their clip boards I am sure even from the sidewalk they could have “checked off ” quite a few violations at 418 Broadway.
NOTE _ WHAT WORRIES ME IS THESE BUILDINGS FOR THE MOST PART ARE ASKING THE PUBLIC TO COME IN TO THESE PLACES OF ‘BUSINESS AND ENTERTAINMENT”- SURELY THERE SHOULD BE SOME REGARD FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC-??????
(These photos taken directly from the Lorain County Auditors Site
418 Broadway-purchased 2010 for $20,000 yes that is “Twenty” thousand from Lorain National BankParcel Number: 02-01-004-102-007 – DYE DALE C -418 BROADWAY LORAIN, OH 44052
Mr. Dye who wants to put out his welcome sign – inviting you all in to his “sports bar” – even went so far as to get the OK from the Design review Board in order to do so.
His goal is to continue restoration of the building exterior and eventually reopen the bar, create a rental party center or rent the bar to an operator. Dye currently has his own machine shop, Kris Dye Fabrication, in the building.”
NOTE: please pay attention to the bolded words in the Morning Journal article!
Photos from the “sidewalk” vantage point –
418 Second Floor South
418 Second Floor North
418 Second Floor Middle ceiling
and FINALLY hope this is not where the electricity for the new NEON Sign will be plugged in that light bulb may have an issue with that !
QUESTION – THAT WOMAN
If I have done some work (for example) rewiring – is it up to me as the property owner to request an inspection?
The property owner MUST REQUEST AN INSPECTION.
QuESTION- THAT WOMAN
If so,( REFERRING TO PREVIOUS QUESTION) is the responsibility put on the property owner to contact the Building Dept. Is there any follow up on the building permits pulled as to the condition/ quality of work being done and in a timely manner?
Yes. At the bottom of the permit, several different job types are listed. When work is completed on these jobs,
“THE OWNERS ARE TO CALL the Building Department” for review. However, the Building Department may not know when work is completed until the owner calls.
QUESTION – THAT WOMAN
Can the property owner still refuse entry to the property for inspection even with a building permit ? Does that limit the inspections from the sidewalk only unless the house is open and unsecured?
Property owners can refuse entry by our inspectors.
Inspectors are free to do inspections from the sidewalk as well as inspections from the view of a neighboring property, provided the neighbor grants permission to go onto their property to view concerns. If the house is unsecured, the inspector can obtain search warrants in order to enter the property.
PDF FILE – EXTERIOR INSPECTION LIST FOUND HERE :
Exterior Inspection Checklist
FOLLOW UP QUESTION – THAT WOMAN
Just to be clear – are you saying if the work is done on the inside of the property by the property owner unless they agree to let the inspectors in to inspect the work you cannot inspect the work done?
I have attached “Entry to other structures” for your review. This document outlines the laws restricting access to private property by an inspector. But, to answer your question, the owner has to allow the inspector into his home.
The PDF file ‘ENTRY TO OTHER STRUCTURES ‘ FOUND HERE
Entry to other structures
FOLLOW UP -QUESTION – THAT WOMAN
In essence would I be correct in saying that “we in Lorain are going upon TRUST the property owner will call to have an inspection and if they don’t is there any recourse????
In talking with Mr. Klinar, over 3800 permits were pulled this past year. With the number of employees we have, we cannot check up on all projects to see how much progress is being done.
Plus, being invited in to review the work also complicates items. Therefore, with the limited number of employees, we wait until the homeowner requests an inspection. As for recourse, unless we inspect it, the City cannot do much.
Note TW …Handcuffed AND STUFFED comes to mind …….
To Be Continued
As Chief Building Inspector Richard Klinar answered a question put to him by yours truly at the Demolition Appeals meeting with:
” Mrs. Ritchey there is a “process” to be followed you can’t inspect the windows unless the walls are up”
Well! I was amazed and dumfounded!!!!! – I really hadn’t realized that would have been necessary ( for those not familiar with me this is pure sarcasm!).
Although my question wasn’t fully answered which dealt with are “all inside inspections based on a request of the property owner?” his mention of “process” did lead me to ask of the Administration – in particular Derek Feuerstein ( Chief of Staff) for the City of Lorain. I would like to take this opportunity to thank him for his quick responses to the following questions and information ( re PDF files) ( EMPHASIS MINE -TW)
QUESTION THAT WOMAN:
Hypothetically I have an older property that I have purchased which is in dire need of rehab– Can you please answer and or expand on the questions on the “process” I, as the property owner, goes through to bring the property up to “minimum” code?
Firstly: what exactly is the minimum code the City of Lorain follows- re electrical, plumbing, HV , structure etc. where would I find that information . Is asbestos and mold abatement taken into account in the minimum code for Lorain? If, as I was informed this morning, the state decides our codes why is it surrounding communities such as Lakewood seem to have a higher standard of what is acceptable in their communities?
The City of Lorain follows the Ohio Residential Code 2012 for their minimum standards. No asbestos and mold abatement is conducted. In speaking with a rep from the city’s health department, he indicated no policy in the State of Ohio dictates mold levels within a home. Our inspections, for construction, are based on the Ohio Residential Code 2012, but not for maintenance. Every city adopts their own type of maintenance codes; Lorain chose to adopt the International Property Maintenance Code.
QUESTION – THAT WOMAN:
Assuming I am rehabbing a property for possible rental- I am NOT a licensed and bonded contractor just a property owner who plans on acting as my own contractor – I pull a building permit to do the work – Is this a blanket permit or do I pull permits for electrical, plumbing structure separately? What is the cost of such a permit and how long is the permit good for.
The City of Lorain does not issue blanket permits. Each permit is for a specific job. Every permit is separate, no blanket permits are given. All permits are a percentage of the overall cost of the project. I have included a fee structure sheet for you.
NOTE THE PDF FILE FOR THE FEES CAN BE FOUND HERE
( also you will need to rotate the pdf view)
QUESTION – THAT WOMAN:
If the permit is good for a specified period of time and I have been unable (for various reasons) to accomplish any of the proposed work on the property can I pull another permit after the aforesaid permit expires – how many times am I able to do this- Is there any documentation given to the city the property owner has the funds to complete the project?
The permit is valid for one year. However, you must start the work within 6 months of being issued the permit. An individual with a valid permit can request for an extension for up to 6 months. If after this extension, the individual must apply for a brand new permit. The Building Department does not require proof of funds for repair in order to receive a permit.
Follow Up – QUESTION- THAT WOMAN:
How many times can a property owner apply for the permit can he/she just keep applying for a new permit into infinity or is there a limit to the number of times a permit can be pulled for the same property and job of work?
I have attached “Permit Approval code section” for your review on permits. According to section 105.4, two extensions can be granted. After those extensions, the code does not restrict anyone from filing a brand new application for a permit.
PDF File – Permit Approval Code found here
Permit Extension code section
to be CONTINUED
I sat in the audience of a meeting with regard to Demolitions on Jan 18th at Lorain City Hall. The process was very polite and controlled – The Board Members trying their level best to be responsive , polite and to give due process in order to shy away from “law suits” against the city due to not following the procedures.The actions were very deliberate and staying within given parameters.
That is how we are different nowadays from the old west – we couch our opinions so as not to offend so we aren’t dragged into another courtroom. Most of the business on hand was cut and dried , only three of the homes set for demolition had anyone speak for them.
One was the home covered in Busters House Blog
3620 Clifton, Lorain with photos purchased two years ago for TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS – judge for yourself if this can be brought to a livable SAFE- quality of life dwelling for $17,000. I sincerely hope so – let us hope it becomes the poster child for HOW REHAB SHOULD BE DONE!
It is my understanding that the owners of 3620 Clifton presented an acceptable plan to the Board and will have to bring proof of progress to the next meeting on February 28th.
I know what I thought as I listened and I have a bridge in Brooklyn too, but fair is fair they, the owners ( JOHNSON NATHANIEL BARBEE JOSEPH
240 BRACE STREET ELYRIA, OH 44035) were there appealing the demolition decision they wanted to be heard as is their right and they were.
Alright, so they may have not been exactly truthful when stating the week before they only owned the property for a year- it was two- and those back taxes well that was literally not answered . But they got their “stay of demolition” to give them a chance at rehab.
Then this chap came up to the microphone,he rose with difficulty from his seat, he stumbled,limped his way across the floor , his face clouded with anxiety. He looked like he needed to be cared for and seemingly having the weight of the world on his shoulders – I actually felt sorry for this poor old geezer– er that is until I found out it was the infamous George Schneider – he of numerous blog posts and owner of hundreds of properties in this community.
I don’t know who I was more annoyed with – myself– for almost being taken in by his demeanor or the fact Georgie Porgy was asking for yet another of his properties to be given a 2nd chance. The appeals board denied his appeal but I bet you anything you like George’s attorney – Brett English will be back on the case “appealing” to a higher court.( Watch this space)
As I sat there with other audience members, I realized there were three scenarios happening in those chambers- all having different agendas- There was:
The Board – trying to be fair and equitable giving chances and listening to the ones appealing within the framework of the “process” – their faces thoughtful and polite.
The Pleaders – give us another chance puleeeeeeeze ( for any number of “reasons” as to why their property deemed unsafe etc. should be given another chance –
The Community – with the glut of diseased and disgraceful housing in our neighborhoods- we sat there wanting MORE- wanting to say what we really thought – not to be constricted by PC thinking or silenced by “The Process”- our faces- if not the spoken word- reflected on how we truly felt .
The Good – The Bad – and The UGLY
Being the expat I am, I bring with me some terminology sometimes lost to my US readers and “community” . For more years than I care to remember I have “bitched” about the quality and lack of care given to the “rehabs” by the mega landlords who
“run their BUSINESSES of rental” in this community . Look on any of the streets in this old neighborhood the examples are there – there are those rehab to minimum standards- all that is “legally required of them”…. more on that later.
Before it had any special application to America, cowboy was used in England with the obvious meaning: “a boy who took care of cows.” Or he could have been a man, for boy implied not only youth and boyish attitudes but also low status.
Although the descriptive but uncomplimentary word cowboy was already around, Americans did invent two new meanings for it. The first, now forgotten meaning came during the American Revolution. It was the revolutionary patriots' term for pro-British raiders who operated in the boundary between American and British forces in Westchester County, New York. They harassed and plundered the rural districts; a later writer said;they went around in the bushes armed with guns and tinkling a cow-bell so as to beguile the patriots into the brush hunting for cows.
after the Civil War, when for two decades thousands of cowboys drove millions of longhorn cattle from Texas to the new transcontinental railroads in Kansas and Colorado. The English speakers who first settled the Southwest had learned the skills of controlling cattle from Spanish-speaking vaqueros, a name translated crudely as buckaroos.
But those who hired the minimum-wage, equal-opportunity horsemen for the big cattle drives of 1866-86 simply called them cowboys, a term attested as early as 1849, and that was the name that stuck. And though they were poorly paid and worked under the harshest conditions, or perhaps just because of those circumstances, the cowboy became the most enduring legend of the American West. Building on this legend, cowboy today still is used to mean someone who is reckless, impulsive, and dangerous
In Britain “cowboy” is a slang term for
An unscrupulous, incompetent, or reckless person in business, esp. an unqualified one. We have a lot of fly by night “so-called ” unlicensed contractors whose work is in the best scenario lacking in quality and in the worst case down right dangerous.
The cowboy builders , contractors and they can be a problem in my “old country”
Avoiding cowboy builders
The Department was established tos administer and enforce the provisions of the Lorain Building, Housing and Zoning Codes plus the National Electric Code and State Building, Plumbing and Elevator Codes.
The Department’s two primary functions:
•Plan Examination and
The Department registers building contractors, issues permits, maintains records, inspects all new construction and major rehabilitations engages in systematic code enforcement programs for existing properties and provides nuisance abatement to properties and buildings in disrepair.
To contribute to Lorain’s urban renaissance by preserving and strengthening neighborhoods through ambitious code enforcement.
To inspect structures for the purpose of enforcing the City of Lorain’s building, housing and zoning codes and to Ohio’s Building Codes, maintain uniform standards and requirements of residential, commercial and individual buildings.
•Foster higher levels of expertise in the building inspection department by encouraging education and growth among existing staff.
•Develop Housing Division to spearhead property maintenance and zoning issues.
•A Revenue Development to insure all funds currently allowed by legislation are collected for the common good and stability of the city.
•Re-establish City of Lorain Board of Building Commission to further reinforce standard for quality in residences, buildings, and structures throughout the City of Lorain.
THE QUESTION ? ARE THE INSPECTORS THE ONES HANDCUFFED?????? TO BE CONTINUED…….