Sept 3rd – Houston- Chris Ritchey
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/28/the-stunning-images-from-record-setting-flooding-in-houston-texas.html
It amazes me sometimes when “connectivity ” happens in my life. Houston has been on the news all week with Hurricane Harvey and the great flood. I watched those streets on the television , buildings, roads , homes and areas I knew so well faced with the deluge and felt helpless and sad – something I have been feeling every day since you became ill.
The memories of those areas and another “Labor Day weekend” and the trip to MD Anderson to save your life.
“the only hope for a “cure was SGN 35” stated the officious (imho) Dr. Pohlman of the Cleveland Clinic as they brushed you off and away from their “treatment” closed to you – https://my.clevelandclinic.org/staff/900-brad-pohlman – the man with hands as cold as ice. Houston we found had the SGN35 trial so with credit card in hand we rushed to Houston. We did go to MD Anderson, Houston and hope was reborn.
Two months I stayed with you in Houston in order for you to have the treatments . When you were feeling alright we toured the city tried to take our minds away from dying. In Houston we had a lovely couple take you under their wing. We were invited to their home and to their ranch. My fond memories of them and their caring hospitality came “flooding” back as I toured, through the news media ,once more those well known streets.
The memories of you on their ranch driving the feed tractor – riding horses – touring Galveston- the cattle on the ranch and the drying up fishing pond ( due to the drought they were having) the plague of red ants . I wondered how they were fairing, those cattle -were they flooded and struggling, the streets I recognized only from the before photos.
The elation I felt on that November 7th day when your scans showed clear https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/an-update-houston-and-hodgkins/ only to come crashing into hell less than a month later when you died on Dec. 3rd…. the hope that was Houston obliterated.
Yes! Houston – a city that gave us hope and welcome – I cry for Houston may they find their hope – I will always be thankful for their friendship – and I was thankful for those last days I had with you – but the memories are painful … I love you Chris that never goes away but gets stronger with each tear.
August 3rd – INSPIRE- Chris Ritchey
Words are all I have left – As I have gone through some difficult and very painful procedures health wise I have not complained, held my breath and let the health care personages do their jobs. I have put up with the pain and not made a sound whilst they went about their business. That would not have been the case before you had to deal with the obscenity that is cancer and all those damned procedures. I watched your every flinch, grimace , holding your breath during all those tests and procedures- but you uttered not a cry even when they literally killed you chemically – mouth full of ulcers – joints exploding in pain.
Now I deal with life differently on all levels. I know the debilitating pain you tried to hide from me in Texas, the consequences to your body after the double stem transplant – your voice so weak and yet when you would answer your phone the strength would come back into your voice for those few minutes in order to shield the caller from how you were really feeling. The nurse who said to me in those last days He is phenomenally strong- anyone else would have been on that vent 4 days ago.
You have become and became my inspiration to “deal with” – how could I be cowardly when you were so brave!
Inspire – one of the meanings of this word
2. breathe in (air); inhale.Middle English enspire, from Old French inspirer, from Latin inspirare ‘breathe or blow into,’ from in- ‘into’ + spirare ‘breathe.’ The word was originally used of a divine or supernatural being, in the sense ‘impart a truth or idea to someone.’
In the end it was the inability to breathe that took you from us…. and yet captured in your art work is that very breath you took and blew into a celtic glass piece As soon as I saw the piece I knew it was
Breath of Life – Celtic Knot – Chris Ritchey
inspired by the very necklace I wore so often when you were young – you used to be fascinated by it. I made up stories for you of treasures and adventures of a little boy named Chris – pirates and treasure hunts just the way I make up stories for Gavin and Braedyn now as we go into the places of our imaginations.
I will always love you Chris until my last breath and beyond….
You are my inspiration in more than one sense of the word……………
Many faces of The Captain- Settlers’ Watch- Lorain 2017
Photo Mark Teleha
As I started to write this post with regard to the tree carvings at Settlers’ Watch and their journey
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/settlers-watch-an-overview/
( yes you will see they have travelled over time) I realized we were coming up on the 10th anniversary of the first carvings. Time, bugs, road salt and weather have taken their toll.
But it is “The Captain” who has changed and was on life support for a year or more. We spent hundreds in chemicals and treatments and this is his story.
Born 2007 The Captain had a rough birth- CVSI had raised money to carve some of trees taken down by Ohio Edison – 19 of them along 2nd street making the street uglier and without any softness or much worth .
We had just started the carving – first up Lorain Portside Sign to coincide with the Lorain Bicentennial August 2007
https://www.flickr.com/photos/12219598@N06/
when a change in the plan for the new sewers blindsided us. Originally these were going to bypass the area BUT as with all things plans change and trees marked for carving were taken down ( without warning) and piles of materials were stored on the site. We had already taken donations and the carvings were contracted.
This meant since they chopped down his tree and the one destined to be Eric Barnes Eagle we had to purchase other pieces of wood to be carved into the Captain and Eric Barnes Eagle off site.
The eagle when finished was safely stored at inside at the City of Lorain but the Captain went to Black River Landing.
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/the-captain-arrives-and-the-eagle-landed/
He was supposed to be sealed and not stored on concrete due to the heat coming up from the concrete and in direct sunlight- this didn’t happen . Unfortunately, in the ensuing months of not being maintained , the toll taken by summer and winter the Captain started with issues.
2007-2008
Photo Mark Teleha
When we finally brought him back to the site he was very dry and whilst the other carvings took a gallon of sealer for all 4 he took 2 gallons by himself, he was soaking it up like a sponge but he and the other carvings finally had a home
Photo Mark Teleha
There he stood spring , summer , fall and winter for the next 4 years
Lorain365
His other problem is he attracts seagulls – these seagulls have a tendency to sit on his hat and poop – that poop eats away at the sealer opening his wood up to the elements and bugs .In 4 years he went from this to this
And his issues continued:
It was one day (during Pride Day 3 years ago) as we went to give him a coat of sealer we noticed what looked like a bullet hole in his back. No! not a bullet hole BUT wood wasps had made their homes in him, and the Heron and Lighthouse.
The Heron and Lighthouse were a quick fix but the Captain had a attracted seagulls who delighted in sitting on his hat . Their guano had eaten through the sealer and the wood on the top of his head leaving a huge hole in his head – just brilliant for collecting water. .
Research was started as how to preserve him and his crumbling insides- Many hundreds of dollars later we tried with preservatives , bug deterrents – drilling holes in him filling him with the wood chemicals, stabilizing wood pieces and plugging him up. We reached out to professionals all over the country. We added a hat over his carved head until we could deal with the damage and the seagulls. We had to leave his head open to access his insides.
Photo Lorain 365
Try as we might, his rotted insides didn’t react well and the chemicals actually reacted with the sealer and the Captain turned a dark mahogany.
He was literally flaking to death – his ship’s wheel would find the stanchions falling to the ground, his arms where the wasps and insects had done the most damage were hollow and flaking off, shedding with every week. It looked like curtains for the Captain. Obviously none of the “professional fixes ” were working we had to
stabilize him whilst we experimented – otherwise the Captain was sunk.
His hat was retied onto his head ,back to front to protect his face , his cracks and holes filled with a special wood compound but
would it harden- would it stay- could we carve it -like the can said?
We worked on the top of his arms and shoulders , replaced the wheel stanchions . covered his top half with a black bag to keep out the water and painted his lower half with a white preservative- and there he sat for most of last summer, fall and winter.
Photo Lorain 365
The unveiling was done with much trepidation this June
The test areas seemed to be holding so the next step filling the insides- no more bugs but cavities were still a huge problem, experiments with special insulation foam and various fill products seemed to work- he was less hollow and stable. Where the foam etc leaked out we could carve it and it held the wood product alright and so we left him without his black bag and the water was shedding off him .
So there we were – what next? Obviously we couldn’t leave him looking like he was and we could no longer seal it with the varnish- The men in the know-( his surgeons) decided house paint.. but that would look awful I thought but something has to be done to cover and seal the patches etc. House paint it was – Tudor Brown ( can you guess where that came from)- well it looks good on my house) – the problem was he looked flat and semi glossed… a bit softening and highlighting, the Captains face changed again –
He is a little grayer ( more like driftwood than mahogany this time around) – but then who wouldn’t be grayer after all he has been through- I know I am! Fingers crossed and if you would like to donate to the Captain’s Hat
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/passing-the-captains-hat-2015-update/
If you can see your way to helping to fill the Captains Hat – 100% percent of your donation goes to the project. We are a 501C3
Make checks payable to Charleston Village Society- ( Captain’s Hat in the memo line)
1127 West 4th Street, Lorain, Ohio 44052
There is still work to do at the very base and if this fix holds then hopefully he will remain at his helm for a few more years …Oh and his hat was put back on just incase a seagull alights!!!
I try I really do – City of Lorain-OPEN LETTER
WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE MORE IS SAID THAN DONE!!!!
I have tried for years to help, give the benefit of the doubt but I am totally “cheesed off” – nothing changes – and why is that – no accountability. I have had retaliation, vindictiveness hurled through words and concrete for my trouble. BUT the tipping point has come…..
Check it out I have paid my taxes , volunteered up the yin yang – been involved for 30 years – took a derelict lot next door ( which we purchased for a nominal sum) but have now put into that lot over $22,000 in the last year . We didn’t have to do that we could have taken down the diseased and dangerous tree and just cut the grass.
Hello, City of Lorain having the new blue cart system, that wouldn’t fit behind our property like the old cans – just so my neighbors didn’t have to look at them cooking in the sunshine – we purchased a little home for them ( another 400 dollars) and covered them with trellis and roses .
So why is it when most of the street is adhering to rules for the past weeks( since the new garbage rules came out ) – I have watched garbage piles ( from the same address walk up and down the street for 9 weeks before it disappeared one night, grass that gets cut whenever.
and now for the 2nd week looked at mattresses infested with bed bugs ( Dale the Bed Bug Exterminator came and sprayed) WHY for the 2nd week have we looked at 2 box spring and mattresses leaning up against a dividing hedge.
Well I suppose it hides from view the red dump truck that is once again making it and its load part of the streetscape for the past 4 years – goes away and comes back like an unwanted relative. And around the corner more garbage and trash.
OK I get it some people will not follow the rules, don’t care or too lazy to follow but WHY should the rest of us have to put up with it…… why make any rules at all…… the Building Dept representative on facebook saying their side of the story
Heather Graves All of these lovely comments. I have one question and one question only to each and every one of you. When you go to work in the morning, afternoon, evening whatever the case may be…when your boss tells you to do something -you do it correct? I went through all of the comments. So…most of them are complaining because he is doing something. Others are complaining because he’s not citing in their neighborhoods. You do realize you can’t have it both ways correct? You can’t expect him to only cite what you don’t approve of. By all means make the complaints. The building department will do due process. If it’s a ghost foreclosure..meaning the bank gave orders to vacate and then never took possession…that house could sit there for YEARS, and then all of you can assume that it’s owned by the City of Lorain. Then there are the homes that are owned by someone that lives in Florida. What does anyone expect from that? Put out a warrant and send a pair of cops to go pick them up? I think you all need a reality check as far as what can and can’t be done in this city. I know…because I work in this department. As far as the gentleman that had his house taken a picture of after he took a picture of the inspector. Can you stop for a second and consider what these guys go through everyday? Constant complaints on them…threats…you have no idea. I get it…there is a genuine distaste for city workers, but please consider that we aren’t all bad. Most of us just want to go to work; work and go home without being yelled at, criticized and called names. We are all making our living one day at a time just as everyone else. I hope you all read this and at least a slight part of the other side.
You have my sympathy Ms. Graves but you and the staff are getting paid a million or so to do your jobs if it is so impossible to do them then maybe we should rethink the department and what will work…….. because I am not getting paid to look at trash and see property values tank WE ARE PAYING FOR THE PRIVILEGE ……….
July 3rd – The storm- Chris Ritchey
Yesterday evening, the storms started – they came in waves- clouds whipping around in the wind as if they were of rapids in the sky, lightening making the night sky bright for a few seconds at a time pulsating in intensity , thunder- a cacophony of discontent at odds with a summer evening , rain pummeling the windows , joining forces to flood the streets , swirling , beating down the plants , trees bowing their sodden branches to the earth.
A respite between storms found the earth shaking off the deluge only to be attacked again and again. There was an energy present , terrifying in its capabilities and yet hope the storm would move away.
Moonbeam – photo Chris Ritchey
Then at 2.20 am it was not the sound of another raging storm that woke me from another night of fitful sleep- it was the silence, the eerie stillness that had blanketed the night. The only sound coming through the now open window was of the little water fountain. I lay quiet myself and thought how the storm , to me, made me recall once again those horrible terrifying days of the cancer cure…. a storm that destroyed and changed forever this family leaving us with the debris from destruction. The days of respite and hope finally culminating in the crashing down to earth of hope, bowed and broken.
The quietness of the surreal world after you passed, the not knowing what to do how to get back to a place of hope-for months you had been my whole purpose – waking and sleeping, you became my vocation – every day was filled with you – driving, cooking,waiting whilst chemo was administered, watching you sleep, researching . Then the eye of the storm passed
Depths of despair – artwork Chris Ritchey
Just as the leftover rain drops cling to the plants weighing the down waiting for the sun to ease their burden before they break with the sheer weight of it all my tears are for you- The storm for you is done but I am still lost in the darkness waiting…… I love you Chris …
Tale of the Two- The Cost Part 2.
This should be the last post in this series of a broken ( in my opinion )system of Building Dept inspections and accountability in the City of Lorain. The series, (links to the whole series at the bottom of this post) has looked upon the history of inspections, non accountability and lack of enforcement over the past 12 years. It is my belief, based upon the research so far, as to why Lorain finds itself in a housing market that is (especially in the 44052-44055) floundering . The downtown commercial buildings I didn’t touch upon also has added another layer of burden to the taxpayer.
Before getting into the costs to us in Lorain for this system I would like to thank the City of Lorain- Ritenauer Administration for their prompt response for all the documentation requested under the Public Records requests and also to Lorain Auditors Dept and Lorain County Auditor for their very quick response for information.
I would also like to state, as promised in my “About Page” that should I have a biases I would state it. I have for many years – more than I care to remember – had issues with the Lorain Building Dept. written about the deterioration of this neighborhood, and for 30 years “tried” along with administrating a 501C3 preservation district to stop the rot that is the foundation of neighborhood- our homes and quality of life.
38 years vacant before finally being torn down .
However, I also was aggrieved and found myself part of the process when doing that “mission” being, in my opinion, faced selective enforcement and the harassment of one City of Lorain Board ( Design review Board member) using the Lorain Building Dept. Chief Inspector and the dept. to “enforce” petty non compliance issues with my home . You can access the situation here:
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/the-dyenamics-of-inspections-time-lines-lorain/
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/dye-abolical-goose-and-the-gander-inspection-process-lorain/
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2015/01/10/city-officials-caught-between-a-ritchey-and-a-dye-place/
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/retribution-dye-a-tribed-the-process/
This documentation on the blog brought on a concrete throwing and down spout ripping off my home by a Neanderthal … and of course the added expense of installing cameras.
The irony in this instance was the inspected downspout ( named Don) was knocked loose due to a falling branch from the very large tree on the adjoining lot which was “owned”, at the time, by the CITY OF LORAIN!!!!. INSULT TO INJURY 🙂
and the response which ended up in its own series
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2015/02/01/ode-to-a-downspout-named-don-lorain/
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2015/08/05/outdoor-showrooms-lorain-by-don-the-downspout/
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2016/05/20/don-the-downspout-says-lorain-in-a-fix/
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2015/02/19/the-weapon-city-of-lorain-you-decide-trust-negated/
As I said, I have been writing about this housing and building situations for a very long time before the 12 years covered in this series . So it seemed amazing the Building Dept , Mr. Klinar and co were able to “jump” at the chance to “inspect my personal property within 4 days of the complaint when some situations in Lorain have taken decades…. (2015)
This is the sort of situation ( 1125) I had to put up with through 5 sets of landlords on the lot next door- and even when the tenants complained … what was done – nothing – then abandoned/ foreclosed until a tree took care of it .
Due to fact I published pictures of the same city lot next door which greatly ticked off a construction neighbor – parking illegally and the use of that lot for storing construction vehicles etc.
He made his retribution trip(2016) to the 5th floor of city hall. I was then once again inspected last year , this time for “weeds” growing through my chain link fence in the alley.
https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2016/08/09/municipal-manipulation-lorain-e-again/
However the weeds, were Swiss Chard, Mint and Morning Glories and the boat was in compliance but wait they, the Building Dept. Inspectors had enough inspectors to come out drive up the alley inspect my property now for the third time in 2 years( first time was during the sumer inspection blitz where we were found OK) and send me yet another letter . The weeds????
Which would have been fine, in the way of things, if they had nothing else to do. BUT in order to inspect my vegetables and flowers, my downspout and garage paint they had for the past five years driven past a home on the alley that is literally caving in on itself –
weeds in the back of the alley were higher than an elephants eye and yet still sits as of yesterday with the same broken picture window it has had for 5 years ( boarded up – a property one of 16 owned by Mr. Brooks (spending time in jail drug dealing ) https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/grenade-and-garbage-lorain-
landlords-swatted/
So yes! the arbitrary and selective nonsense of retaliatory inspections on morning glories and downspouts, a garage that needed paint 3 inspections 2 years left me more than a little annoyed at the ” behavior” of the building Dept under the auspices of Mr. Klinar and of course the George Schneider advocate, Inspector Ralph Cantu ( now retired)
Hands Up I am biased!!!!!! against selective inspections and time wasting when a city is falling down around the 44052 and these situations can take years, in fact so long that in the case of 3620 Clifton we have to go back to the beginning because the “Statute of Limitations ran out.
Guilty!!!!!! I am biased – based on research and personal experience with the system
We have seen what it costs to have these homes sitting there for months and months years and decades. See part one of costs https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/tale-of-two-the-cost-part-one/
Now let us see what the cost locally Lorain for the cost each year to our budget so morning glories are inspected but 3620 Clifton , 1348 West Erie and the myriad of other homes in the 44052 44055 that are allowed to sit.
So what does this cost to run this “program” and department ‘ Firstly the Building Department does bring money into the City of Lorain coffers
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The total amount of revenue generated last year was $788,898.54 and YTD is $238,208.62
Performance reports PDF file 2016 and 2017 found here
2016 Budget Performance Report for Building
2017 Budget Performance Report Building Department
Not bad just over 3/4 of a million dollars (2016)- now the costs:
OH OH we are already at a loss by $357.008.54 And we aren’t done yet because we also have the costs of the housing court and magistrate
Magistrate is paid from Court Improvement Fund. The City pays 60% of her salary and the other 40% is paid from the Lorain County.
Secretary pay is 55% General Fund, 20% Muni Court Probation Fund and 25% Court Improvement Fund.
Magistrate
Salary $74,394.00
Benefits $29,603.00
Secretary to the Magistrate
Salary $37,305
Benefits $25,305
We do have vehicles for the Inspectors to use some of them are pretty old but some were new back when these homes depicted were just beginning the inspection process
2003 Ford Taurus Building
2008 Ford Escape Building
2002 Ford Explorer Housing & Planning
2016 Chevy Equinox Housing & Planning
2016 Chevy Equinox Housing & Planning
2006 Chevy Silverado Building
and then there is their costs “The amount spent only for petroleum and auto parts and supplies in 2016 was $6,444.99 and budgeted for 2017 is $7,500.00.
We spent 3 times more in getting “gas” in one year than the fines for the hairnetted Broadway Building paid in fines over 10 years .
In my opinion, this isn’t a bad budget IF WE WERE GETTING DECENT PORTFOLIO OF HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY- HOMES UP TO A CERTAIN STANDARD – ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE COURT IN A TIMELY MANNER – A DOWNTOWN THAT IS NOT CLASSIFIED BY THE NEWS MEDIA AS A GHOST TOWN….
but we aren’t in the 44052/ 44055 we have a glut of disgraceful homes and buildings and who is to blame ??? and why are we paying for this???? Because WE ARE PAYING- paying with loss of property values in the millions, delinquent taxes in Lorain, ( note in the PDF file 500 is the classification for homes) found here Lorraine Ritchy Lorain City Delinquent Report by Parcels
Then another couple of million( counting in the fire/ police/ tax collectors salaries, stationary, cell phones , processing etc. having to deal with the abandoned homes and don’t forget we have to pay to have the high grass cut ( high grass cost put toward a property lean ( note) errrr people who are thousands delinquent in taxes are worrying about paying the city for grass cutting) to enable the process….. Over to you Lorain…..
THE SERIES
Part One– https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/a-tale-of-two-city-houses-downing-of-quality/
Part Two– https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2017/05/13/a-tale-of-two-continued-lorains-cast-offs/
Part Three – https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/a-tale-of-two-a-tale-of-woe-lorain/
Part Four- https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2017/05/22/a-tale-of-two-the-who-the-how-why/
Part Five- https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2017/05/24/the-tale-of-two-the-how-supporting-cast/
Part Six- https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2017/05/29/a-tale-of-two-the-why-land-of-iz-not-woz/
Part Seven- https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2017/06/19/a-tale-of-two-do-nowt-get-nowt-lorain/
Part Eight- https://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2017/06/26/tale-of-two-the-cost-part-one/
Am I bovvered ? Lorain- fire in the belly?
The Catherine Tate Show https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catherine_Tate_Show
Those that follow this blog will have realized I haven’t written anything for a few weeks. I write for me for the most part to get what is inside me out so I can breathe and to share my son. Other than that I write about the happenings or non happenings in my life, city and history.
August is a bad time for me – I can’t celebrate with fond memories the day of the birth of my son because it is also the anniversary of his being told he was dying and all the fuss and drama of that “damned in- law family” on that day as we waited in the hospital. Happy memories are tainted, my birthday ,wedding anniversary all contribute to the angst that is August for me.
UPDATE: SEPT 2ND. 2017 http://www.morningjournal.com/general-news/20170901/lorain-aware-of-violations-at-building-that-burned-on-broadway
However, I can usually be raised from these depths by some of the “happenings or non happenings of government , building inspections , neighbors from hell, windmills to be tilted to start pounding at the keyboard. But so far even the absolute disgust felt at the total devastation of an historic building, possible loss of lives just blocks away didn’t move me except for a little bump of conscience. .
That situation should have stirred me to be a bothered.(bovvered)
VIDEO: good Samaritans take action to help residents trapped in burning building
http://danielebrady.blogspot.com/2017/08/thistle-building-history.html
The mere fact reports stated from the Chronicle Telegram Newspaper that earlier in another administration ( Foltin) “inspections were “case closed” by an administration that was “landlord friendly” on this building.
http://www.chroniclet.com/Local-News/2017/08/07/Section-of-Broadway-remains-closed-until-Thistle-Building-is-razed.html
photo source Morning Journal
A Building Inspector Desvari ( now deceased) known for fraudulent activities http://www.chroniclet.com/news/2010/07/21/Former-Lorain-building-official-charged-again.html
decided according to the current Chief Building Inspector Dick Klinar ( call me Richard) two days after the fire on August 9th 2017.
I should have been all over this situation where people’s lives were put in jeopardy due to a sober living facility on the ground floor that doesn’t seem to have “from the research of others” quite the legitimacy of authorized care programs. Hard Questions should and could be asked so why am I not asking them?
More like a bed and shared 1/2 bath with this disgrace on the floors above -NOTE( video choppy and hard to see but worth the patience to those that might be bothered.)
Remember??? OLD VIOLATIONS ON FILE DISMISSED OR ABATED ( Dick Klinar)
hmm looking at the video gives new meaning to “abated”
I waited for the outrage from the community-
No! there was no outrage not even a little flutter except on one of the facebook pages but that soon died down. Lorain was not bovvered so why should this Loraine?
Am I bovvered???? well I took the time out from being underwater to surface for a short while this morning so I must be a little bovvered
August 25, 2017 at 4:39 pm 2 comments